We didn't get a deep dungeon this expansion because of Bozja

[ThatGuySaysHi]

To level an alt class it needs to be 71 min. So if you start fresh with anything, you can't touch bozja with that class until you reach the min level for it. Once inside, you would want to get earrings from it (if you don't have the preorder from shadowbringers) otherwise its a slower leveling pace. And the fastest way to do that is bring at least a level 71 tank with an essence of the irregular, a lost reflect, and taking off all your gear so you deal more reflected damage back at sprites.

Which to get the Lost Reflects and Essence of the Irregulars requires farming mobs. Once you turned in 1000 appraised items you get the earrings that makes leveling 10% faster while also stocking up your Lost Cache with potions, phoenix downs, lost reflects, auto items (reraise/potion/ether).

And your encouraged to farm items instead of doing CE (including Castrum) anyway if you want things like Essence of the Ordained (or Profane), Lost Death, Lost Focus, Lost Slash, etc. Which if doing a bunch of prep work sounds familiar to Eureka, its not too far off.

As for the Castrum itself, most of the difficulty behind castrum is figuring out who goes top or bottom, then who goes where to free the 6 prisoners, then figuring out who is the 8-man party that goes fight the mini-boss. Its about as hard as normal Alexander otherwise, well except for Refurbisher honestly from the Alexander raid as if you don't have everyone understanding how to handle the Full-Metal Faust, then prepare for many wipes.

And? Wanna level a Sub 71 class? Go to HoH. Oh wait, that starts at 61, but you seem to be okay with that. Trying to level lower than 61? Go to PoTD. I don't have the earrings and I've been able to level several classes in there very casually from 71 to 80 while having a semi social life (thanks Covid) and working full time.

And all the stuff you mention after that is just bonus stuff added onto the alt job leveling experience. You know, the thing people use Deep Dungeons for. Leveling Alt Jobs. How dare SE give us more things to do to level rather than copying and pasting the same deep dungeon a third time. Shame on them. Shame.

If you want a copy and paste deep dungeon, then whatever. However defending a copy and paste dungeon by complaining about FATE farming, Lost Action Cheesing, and a 24/48 Man Raid is some real big brain 5head thinking.

[MPK]

Soloing deep dungeons is a challenge unlike the mind numbing garbage known as fate grinding. Fate grinding is just boring and takes no skill. Lost actions is just a copy and paste of the logo system in eureka, it's not even interesting. Castrum isn't even considered a raid, it's just a boring dungeon that takes no effort to clear with no hard enrages or any interesting mechanics.

[Chasingstars]

And? Wanna level a Sub 71 class? Go to HoH. Oh wait, that starts at 61, but you seem to be okay with that. Trying to level lower than 61? Go to PoTD. I don't have the earrings and I've been able to level several classes in there very casually from 71 to 80 while having a semi social life (thanks Covid) and working full time.

And all the stuff you mention after that is just bonus stuff added onto the alt job leveling experience. You know, the thing people use Deep Dungeons for. Leveling Alt Jobs. How dare SE give us more things to do to level rather than copying and pasting the same deep dungeon a third time. Shame on them. Shame.

If you want a copy and paste deep dungeon, then whatever. However defending a copy and paste dungeon by complaining about FATE farming, Lost Action Cheesing, and a 24/48 Man Raid is some real big brain 5head thinking.

Seems pretty 5head in not mentioning: Leveling roulettes, using food to boost the experience you get from experience in dungeons and trials and raids, and also supplementing it with doing beast tribes which have scaling exp rewards, and also not mentioning how you can do trust dungeons, or how you can turn in a wonderous tails for a good chunk of experience.

I was mostly defending as you called it boring. Yea most content can get boring btw if you mostly did it several times over. Even fun dungeons and trials can get boring if you seen it enough times where you could do it in your sleep.

Geez and you think its fine with the Castrum? That place had to get hot-fixed to have a 6min instead of 2min join-up timer so people could actually get to do it without a feelsbad moment of missing out because they were currently in a CE. And that wouldn't have happened if people didn't give feedback of why that was bad design to have a 2min timer to join-up for it. Which means people had to analyze it with a critical lens.

Instead you are here giving me the "oh how dare you criticize SE for giving us more stuff to do"

EDIT: To give you my example of how something can get really boring: I was on free trial, at level 35, back in the last month of it before it got raised to level 60 cap in 5.3. I ran the Sunken Temple of Qarn a total of 37 times to get the Ixion mount, the Aithon mount (ifrit horse), and the Boreas mount (Shiva mount). Ya know why? It was the only one I could do to get moogle tomestomes of law at 3 tomestomes per turn. I like the Sunken Temple but even I felt like I could sleep walk through it toward the end of it.

[Cetek14]

Same. In SB we got both Deep Dungeon and Eureka, now we only got Eureka
Yeah i know small indie studio, they barely make a living from 10 euro sub and abundant itemshop.

[Seraphor]

Deep Dungeon: More of exactly the same content as PotD and HoH.
Bozja: 7th map zone, a couple hours of story content, a 4th Ivalice Alliance Raid, a (slightly) horizontal gear progression, 1v1 Duels, Lost Actions system.

Don't get me wrong, both would be ideal, but if I had to choose...

[Reinha]

PotD/HoH:

Alt leveling
Story
Solo challenge
Group content
Duty item system
Glamour, minions, mounts, music and titles
Lootboxes with too many fireworks
End game weapons (i235, i255, i365)

Bozja:

Alt leveling
Story
Solo challenge
Group content
Duty item system
Glamour, minions, mounts, music and titles
Lootboxes with too many fireworks
Lore collection
An option for relic progression
End game gear (i495)

They are pretty similar in terms of what you can do and what you get in my opinion.

[Enla]

Same. In SB we got both Deep Dungeon and Eureka, now we only got Eureka
Yeah i know small indie studio, they barely make a living from 10 euro sub and abundant itemshop.

Like I linked on the front page the money simply wasn't there before COVID to do both by Yoshi-P's own words and after COVID what money they had definitely wasn't going anywhere because the CEO of SE himself confirmed that game production stalled entirely for a time due to the pandemic. Now /why/ the money wasn't there before COVID is anyone's guess, but from the sounds of it it was out of the dev team's hands.

[Payadopa]

I vastly prefer Bozja. I hope stuff like that gets implemented into the open world since it's such a waste of potential and, frankly, boring.

[Delis]

Same. In SB we got both Deep Dungeon and Eureka, now we only got Eureka
Yeah i know small indie studio, they barely make a living from 10 euro sub and abundant itemshop.

Not sure you know how big corporations operate. The monies ffxiv bring in goes to SE, they in turn give ffxiv a budget, and it is not a generous one either. Since SE isn't a small indie studio they are here to make money not hand it back out, as well as they have plenty of other projects to funnel money into and plenty of people not related to games etc (like HR personnel, accounting, marketing, janitorial, legal team etc) that need to be played as well.


To the point of the thread. I like Bozja over deep dungeons. I wouldn't mind if we never get a DD again. With Bozja, I get a fc group together, pile into voice chat. We go in, level alt jobs, have fun, help each other level and rank up. To me i have been having way more fun in thus zone than i ever had in a deep dungeon.

[Semirhage]

You've missed my point entirely. It isn't about how "fun" the content is. It's about how engaging the content is and how it forces the player to play the game.

Ew gross who plays games for fun. Grind those field mobs like it's 2004.