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    jamjeeshoul77's Avatar
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    Duduno Wawawen
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    SCH needs to be significantly buffed

    If I’m in a non-Savage/Ultimate group with a WHM I feel completely and utterly useless. The only spell that remotely feels impactful up against WHM heals is a Recitation Lustrate, something I can only do every 90 seconds. It’s ridiculous. Even AST does way more healing. Emergency tactics succor doesn’t even do that much, and why would I do that when a WHM can use a Rapture+Assize instantly and top the entire group off in less than one second? SCH just feels awful to play in anything that doesn’t require SCH shields, which is 90% of the game.
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    Shiru Elysia
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    This is not because of Scholar.

    This is how the game is designed.
    SCH healing potential is great. It doesn't need to over shield everything to feel efficient.

    Most content can be solo-healed. If your co-healer extremely reactive to heal everything, you'll feel useless regardless of the job you play.

    It really doesn't need buff really, its healing kit is varied, useful and efficient.
    SCH is as much competant as the other and could solo-heal as well.
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    Mimiji Miji
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    I mean, if you're not doing Savage and up content, healing is mainly who can take are of it quicker. There's not much planning needed outside of doing content for the first time. >x>
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    Recitation Lustrate... what?

    I mean SCH has big issues but your post is like a collection of points that prove you don't understand how healing works. WhM doesn't use Assize as a heal (unless it lines up with the cd) and ET + Succor is not a main heal source. You're comparing to WHM when AST is the heal king and SCH played well can produce incredible healing. Reci + Indom + Fey Blessing beats your Assize/Rapture example. Whispering Dawn outheals Plenary + Rapture if it gets full duration. Seraph is 420 potency prepped before and used after a raidwide and 640 if the shield from the second use is popped. All of these can be done on the move with Ruin II and without GCD.

    Not trying to be rude, just pointing out that if you're having healing issues with SCH is probably a player issue and it can get better.
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    If your whm cohealer decides to heal everything up all the time just keep casting those damage spells. It’s boring but that’s what healer gameplay is like now.

    Realistically you have the tools to do all the healing theyre doing, but as OGCDs. If they want to spend their gcds healing instead of dpsing that’s on them.
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    SCH is an absolute snoozefest to play, as is WHM, but underpowered? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Recitation Lustrate... what?

    I mean SCH has big issues but your post is like a collection of points that prove you don't understand how healing works. WhM doesn't use Assize as a heal (unless it lines up with the cd) and ET + Succor is not a main heal source. You're comparing to WHM when AST is the heal king and SCH played well can produce incredible healing. Reci + Indom + Fey Blessing beats your Assize/Rapture example. Whispering Dawn outheals Plenary + Rapture if it gets full duration. Seraph is 420 potency prepped before and used after a raidwide and 640 if the shield from the second use is popped. All of these can be done on the move with Ruin II and without GCD.

    Not trying to be rude, just pointing out that if you're having healing issues with SCH is probably a player issue and it can get better.


    First of all, I main scholar. I have a very good gasp of how to play the class. I meant Indom+Recitation not lustrate. Please don’t assume I have no idea how to play my main job when I made a simple grammatical error.

    Secondly, while technically we can do as much healing as a WHM, playing against them in lower end content is in my experience a lot waste of time because they can just snipe so well. And while I understand it’s lower end content, it’s still 95% of the game and I personally think it’s bad design that WHM can solo snipe every single heal in the game if you’re not raiding Savage. It’s not fair to casua players like me.
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    Last edited by jamjeeshoul77; 10-27-2020 at 12:19 PM.

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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77 View Post
    And while I understand it’s lower end content, it’s still 95% of the game and I personally think it’s bad design that WHM can solo snipe every single heal in the game if you’re not raiding Savage.
    So can AST with its 40s ED cooldown and oGCD aoe heals.

    But you want to know who can do it best of all?

    Scholar. 3 aetherflows every minute, and the ability to get another 3 between the default cooldown with dissipation. WHM does not get as many instant heals per minute. Nor does AST. Oh, and, you know... Indom. You can spend those on indom too.

    Yeah, the healing requirements of non savage and even savage a lot of the time are low. I wish they weren't so much. But you could be just as much of a heal sniper as anyone else, if you wanted to be/knew the content well enough to predict the damage output.

    And no buff is going to help your instant heals be more instant. There's no change SE can make on the healer end that's going to make you, as a player, faster.

    SE could theoretically increase healing requirements, but we know they won't...
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    While I wont say SCH is in a truly bad place, it does have a few short comings that should be addressed. The biggest reason It's so "weak" now is ironically the reason it was so strong in the first place, the faerie. The faerie and several skills associated with her just need some fine tuning. Dissipation, Fey Blessing, and Seraph are the more major skills that need addressing. I could go into specifics, but if you play/main SCH you know what the issues are. Also, for those who don't play it, I am not saying SCH is a bad/ineffective healer, I am just saying that it needs a few minor tweaks to feel as impactful as it once did.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Recitation doesn't even work with Lustrate...LOL

    Furthermore, the idea of SCH is to prevent/mitigate the damage before it happens. Recitation+Excognition on your main tank is an 800 potency CRIT heal as soon as he falls below 50%. It's basically an undo button for a tankbuster. You have fairy shields and regens that you put on before an aoe attack happens which softens the blow, allowing for a follow-up Indom to heal the group back up. Your party does not need to be at full HP following a raid-wide, that's a waste. They just need to be up to full before the next raidwide, usually 30s-1min later. Plenty of time for regens to heal passively so you can keep broilin'.
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