Toxic WHM Glare spammers

[Hatfright]

And I've met Ice Mages. I've met ASTs and SCHs, and even, yes, WHMs who only healed and didn't dps at all. What's your point?

Meeting bad players is going to happen. That's the nature of PUGs.

The problem here is that you are taking a few cases and taking some clearly extreme liberties with painting a bad picture. You met someone who didn't use their kit? Nobody is going to call you a liar for that. Claiming 80% of WHMs -- or even just 80% of WHMs you have personally encountered -- do it, though, is absurd.

And then instead of making the thread about "healers (or even WHMs if you want to talk about your single Puppet's Bunker or Hades run) who don't heal at all," the thread was made as if healers spamming their dps spell is a bad thing.

These are the king of things that lead people to believe you probably aren't very good players, or at least don't have a good understanding of how healers are best played.

Mhm. Describing my subjective expirience is "painting a bad picture". Got it.

I find it extremely funny how instead of laughing it all off with "yeah, some people do be like that, don't they?" from the very beginning so many people started to explain how this is subjective despite noone claiming othewise, and tried to blame us for that very thing. Oh, and teachings on how healing work in this game. Makes me wonder why is that. :thinking:

[Veis_Alveare]

My lass, or lad, no matter, I have literally nothing to hide. I've been playing for almost 3 years now and I kid you not, I have no idea what are you talking about. May be cuz I preffer to stick to myself and my friends and not interact with community unless absolutely nessecary.

See, there's the case. I usually DO have a better time w/o WHM in a party. Like I said, cuz most I've met preffer to glare, not to utilize their kit at all. PFs and randoms do be like that. I don't know how many times I should repeat it. It was, what, 5 times already?

A broken record is not convincing anyone of anything.

[RajNish]

That's the nature of PUGs.

There are good guys among the pugs, as well as among the WHM's, but no one condemns the prejudice of the pugs.

[Hatfright]

what did you expect it would happen?

I dunno, for people to be less dense and maybe for them to share some funny stories about said non-healing healers. It is a "general discussion" after all.
But nah, let's pick on some words I said!

[Liam_Harper]

— I've met some WHMs who don't heal at all.
— But they can use this and that and be done with it.
— Yeah, I know they can, but they didn't.
—
How does noone sees this whole topic looks like that.

Because the claim was not "I've met some WHM's who don't heal". It was:

80% of at least 50 will be 40. Have I met about 40 bad WHM's? Exactly yes.

Which most here feel is an exaggeration.

[Derio]

I hope to get the WHMs the OP gets. Here is the thing as a tank you pop CDs and do big pulls. You have no reason to whine if you dont die. If you die once, ok no prob. But if you die 2+ times, then you have the right to kick them.

[Hatfright]

Which most here feel is an exaggeration.

...you know what a hyperbolization is, right?

[Packetdancer]

...you know what a hyperbolization is, right?

Yes, which is why the 80% statistic was pointed out as exaggeration or probable hyperbole by other posters pages ago. At which point OP responded that it was not hyperbole or exaggeration, making the "I have met 40 bad WHMs, and 40 out of 50 is 80%" statement as evidence that 80% was literal factual statistics and not hyperbole. If that isn't what OP actually meant, then it's easy enough to post a clarification of "okay, I only meant I've seen a lot of WHMs that I feel are doing this, and that's an inflated percentage to illustrate how prevalent I feel like it is". But thus far, every time someone has pointed that out as possible exaggeration, OP has seemingly insisted that it is not.

And there's a chance that people will assume that the person who says "this is not hyperbole" did not, in fact, intend a given statement as hyperbole.

So yes, people are probably going to try to address "well, if you genuinely believe that 80% of all white mages act this way, you might be misinterpreting some things or not know how the job works" and pointing out what might be going on.

As I said, several pages ago, I can believe that OP has run into WHMs who they perceive as being DPS-obsessed rather than healing; I doubt any of us in this thread would say that's a lie. I can even believe some of them were DPS-obsessed and let people die. I don't think it's actually that prevalent an issue, but I don't play on your server so perhaps your datacenter is very different than mine.

But I cannot believe that literally only one out of every five white mages across the entire game bothers to heal, while the other four all only DPS... and that is what OP gives every appearance of insisting is a real statistic, and not hyperbole in the least.

[RajNish]

I doubt any of us in this thread would say that's a lie. I can even believe some of them were DPS-obsessed and let people die. I don't think it's actually that prevalent an issue, but I don't play on your server so perhaps your datacenter is very different than mine.

To be honest, I would like the situation to look different. But, according to my subjective feelings, nope. Of course, we can say that the bad is remembered better, but WHM is the class in which, according to my observations, unscrupulous players abuse the most. Well, memes about green DPS with the WHM icon are also exists for a reason. In fact, if someone was offended by my 80%, I'm sorry, it is not difficult to change, just to say that there were 70 or even 60, so that people would just be calm do not take personally? But the situation will not get better from this. Several of my friends play this class, and as I said above, they also complain about those who only do damage and nothing else. For this reason, many of them prefer to take a well-known co-healer to the party.

[Veis_Alveare]

Just gonna toss this out there in regards to the proposed 80% statistic.

WHM is the most played healer in basically all content. If 80% of WHMs healed so little as to let people die all the time, or shoved the full burden of healing onto their cohealers in full party scenarios, wouldn't this be a prevalent enough issue that it would be widely regarded as fact by now?

Like, this would mean the community reaction to seeing a WHM would be "oh no, they almost assuredly aren't going to heal me, I am going to die" which, if we look back at 3.0 AST (which had a different source problem but the end result of not healing enough was the same) would mean WHMs would be getting kicked regularly just for simply being WHMs.

I mean heck, if there was a single job that the presence of signaled death that frequently for whatever reason I would probably be kicking them myself.

So why is it with this ridiculous statistic (and let's be clear even a far lower percentage than 80 would still be laughable but this guy decided to stick to 80 so here we are) even being debated at all?

There is currently zero evidence for the claims the OP has made, far more people countering his points than agreeing with him and ample evidence for anyone who cares to look up actual damage and healing statistics for this game to literally know that this is a bunch of bull.