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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnAverageAspie View Post
    I definitely agree. Though to predict other people's reasoning while I vent about the stories excuses:




    Some could ask the same question, 'Why is Roegedyn the main focus of a Antagonist and past queen in a lineage of Hrothgars?' And if for the reason of "lets sacrifice someone else", how did these super soilder blades do a bang up job in not finishing up the whole business so there would be no coincidental descendants of a specific shrine maiden that became an aether consuming demigod?
    I am not going to let this go, its a dumb twist. Whats so hard about making a villian not have some significant ties to past lore in the story? The twist villian could just be someone who is moved by the revolt and desire to take action. Having her coincidentally be a descendant is just silly to me and muddied the sincerity of her fears. G'raha Tia's lineage is from a Race/Culture of people, a bit on the royal side but not towards a specific individual that would give him the red eyes of allag.
    She sounds like an angry young adult who has some birthright to take over and enslave Bozja and its resistance members for the approval of some father figure. Thats probably the point but I will not feel any sympathy when I land my axe between her eyes and stiff upper lip (All bets on redemption being the solution-_-).

    Maybe next patches will have us bring back the previous queen or some future grand daughter since we are playing the, "descendent of super important figure for Hamlet BS" card :/
    I loved the boss fights and raid aspect of the Bozja Castrum, but man the story on the other hand has gotten off on the wrong foot for me.

    Honestly, I'm more upset that Bwagi could just walk in and shoot her like it was no big thang, meanwhile every MCH main who did Bozja Castrum on MCH needs to get sore about this. We're supposed to be the fast draw and best shot in the world, we coulda shot Misjia the second she kicked Mikoto to the side. Hell, every job except Monk has a ranged attack that would cover the distance between us and Misjia in that cutscene before she forced us into the memory to change it.

    As for her blood relation, that's the only conceivable reason as to why Gunnhildr would have listened to her imo to let her alter the memory.

    I was also kind of irritated that literally none of the new Gunnhildr's Blades dodged the tempering javelins. They're supposed to be hella good fighters, you'd think at least one of them could have hit the deck even if it didn't save them, instead of standing there, jaw agape, as a laser javelin pierced their chests. Ugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Honestly, I'm more upset that Bwagi could just walk in and shoot her like it was no big thang, meanwhile every MCH main who did Bozja Castrum on MCH needs to get sore about this. We're supposed to be the fast draw and best shot in the world, we coulda shot Misjia the second she kicked Mikoto to the side. Hell, every job except Monk has a ranged attack that would cover the distance between us and Misjia in that cutscene before she forced us into the memory to change it.
    Cutscene Incompetence is nothing new to WoL - the aftermath of The Vault if you're doing it as a healer (or Paladin, or Red Mage) comes to mind.
    In fairness, at the time Bwagi shot her WoL was holding back the Tempering attack, although yeah, her kicking Mikoto aside and everybody still staring at her was pretty damn bizarre, but if you want to stretch logic a bit, Bajsaljen was still trying to talk her down on peaceful terms to bring her back to their side and everybody was waiting on his order before attacking. Arguably, the fault lies with him for not acting quickly decisively enough.


    As for her blood relation, that's the only conceivable reason as to why Gunnhildr would have listened to her imo to let her alter the memory.
    I think it was more that the Shrine Maiden was already stretching her psyche to accept her fate - it's a very reluctant smile when she says, "At least my people will be safe."
    Considering she's literally been stabbed in the back by her own people, whilst expecting to have died pretending to be a Queen who was too cowardly to go through it herself, ultimately it didn't, understandably, take much more than Misjia twisting the dagger a bit and telling her that history won't remember her sacrifice to tip her over the edge considering everything she's been through. Misjia being her descendant just adds some legitimacy to her words.
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    Husbrawndo Vonkrieger
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    I am a bit annoyed how the cutscene played out but I feel the context and the additional lore/twists muddy my reason to complain about us standing in place like with almost every other cutscene in the game while not taking into account what class/role we are in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    I assume her play is to fell both the resistance and the empire and bring the Bozjan people under her rule. The conversation at the end of the Castrum seems to imply that she can't be trusted and should be used as fonder. Furthermore, the idea that she is a descendant legitimatizes this claim to the throne and gives her access to knowledge that should have been left in the past.

    Call it a dumb twist, but Matsuno's stories tend to give all the characters reasons to behave badly.
    But was this the only proper reasoning for a villain like her? Someone upset over their life in Bozja yet ironically finding a fairer life under empire rule, its Fordola all over again but with someone who was poor and alone at the start; a nice introspection. However, it takes her to find some "connection" to the royal lineage (in public resources for high officials) that pushes her to be more active in stomping the resistance? You'd think the harsh life she lived under non imperial Bozja rule would be enough. I feel its much more terrifying or effective that anyone of any birth or status could still nearly ground the resistance if they did the work and research. We had to wait for a 29 yr old descendant to do that? Would the Save the Queen plan not work without her when they already put it into motion without her on the team yet? The theme in the Bozja quest is false sense of trust or betrayal. So I think she would be betrayed by her superiors first just like the Queen of eld for dramatic irony. She then despises the resistance and empire. Queen becomes savage Ashura and we cleanse her and do something to untemper the blades, while Misjia gets frozen in the memory world or gets a forgiveness speech.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post

    As for her blood relation, that's the only conceivable reason as to why Gunnhildr would have listened to her imo to let her alter the memory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Calixis View Post
    Considering she's literally been stabbed in the back by her own people, whilst expecting to have died pretending to be a Queen who was too cowardly to go through it herself, ultimately it didn't, understandably, take much more than Misjia twisting the dagger a bit and telling her that history won't remember her sacrifice to tip her over the edge considering everything she's been through. Misjia being her descendant just adds some legitimacy to her words.
    Her heritage is not implied or mentioned as a reason she could alter the memory. I think it just needs someone who lived it, has strong will OR contains an item related, since she's holding the aether conduit of the primal queen. A big significance.
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