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    MomomiMomi's Avatar
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    Momomi Momi
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    You ask me where these numbers come from? I really go through a lot of content, including savage and extreme, I have almost all the tank achievements. More than 300 runs on three tank classes. But mostly I play as a healer. I'm not talking about an epidemic, but I'm talking about a trend that increases in proportion to the player's lvl. Moreover, my friends, who perfectly play as WHM, who mains this class, are amazed at the number of impudent people who shift the work to others or make the tank survive in a regular dungeon, which goes through in no time.
    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    You are not 80% of the WHM that I have met. We generally play on different servers. 80% of at least 50 will be 40. Have I met about 40 bad WHM's? Exactly yes. Especially in 70-80 dungeons and raids. So bring your MP/Cast time numbers to these people who do not know how to play, they will be much more useful to them.
    More than 300 runs on three tank classes, not even counting all the other content you've obviously played, and you've only met 50 WHMs?

    Yeah, okay. Just admit it. You have no real metric you're using here. You're pulling numbers out of nowhere.
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    Laeanna Duskwalker
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    Quote Originally Posted by MomomiMomi View Post
    More than 300 runs on three tank classes, not even counting all the other content you've obviously played, and you've only met 50 WHMs?

    Yeah, okay. Just admit it. You have no real metric you're using here. You're pulling numbers out of nowhere.
    It's because when a WHM does their job they're not really noticed in the party. Except if they're great, then they are noticed because of the sheer amount of Holys that are put out, unless the tank has limited party effects then the WHM goes unnoticed again.

    It just goes back to the fact that healers are underappreciated. When healers do their job most of the time they're invisible, when they do a bad job they're noticeable. When tanks do a good job they are visible, when they do a bad job it's noticeable.

    It's part of why healing is a more thankless job than tanking. At least when tanks do a decent job they're noticed.

    As a healer main when I play other classes most of the time the healers do a decent enough job to pass all content. And that's WHM's included. They're just not noticed.

    DPS aren't noticed either, but they don't get as much blame as healers do when things go wrong, which makes it a very relaxing role to play outside of savage :P
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    Veis Alve'are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rae88 View Post
    It's because when a WHM does their job they're not really noticed in the party. Except if they're great, then they are noticed because of the sheer amount of Holys that are put out, unless the tank has limited party effects then the WHM goes unnoticed again.

    It just goes back to the fact that healers are underappreciated. When healers do their job most of the time they're invisible, when they do a bad job they're noticeable. When tanks do a good job they are visible, when they do a bad job it's noticeable.

    It's part of why healing is a more thankless job than tanking. At least when tanks do a decent job they're noticed.

    As a healer main when I play other classes most of the time the healers do a decent enough job to pass all content. And that's WHM's included. They're just not noticed.

    DPS aren't noticed either, but they don't get as much blame as healers do when things go wrong, which makes it a very relaxing role to play outside of savage :P
    I think this is due to how absolutely abysmal the effective skill floor for a healer is. People are still out there defending healers who don't dps, like to be standout bad as a healer you basically have to not press any buttons at all.

    So of course people only notice the real trainwrecks - they're doing such a poor job at such a basic thing it's not even funny.
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    Liam Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rae88 View Post
    It just goes back to the fact that healers are underappreciated. When healers do their job most of the time they're invisible, when they do a bad job they're noticeable. When tanks do a good job they are visible, when they do a bad job it's noticeable.
    This is true. It's actually worse in fact, in that healbots are the most visible by far to a player who doesn't understand healing indepth. If your impression of the fight is "wow, I never came close to dying, the heals came almost instantly!" it's going to leave a far better impression to the average player than if they sat at 20% for 15 seconds unsure if they were going to live. Even though in the second case the healer had the next 3 raidwides mapped flawlessly while pushing high damage, the impression the player gets is "thank god they remembered just in time, that was close, they nearly let me die o.o". Many of my best runs I get 0 comms and some of my messiest I've got 4+ because I ended up spamming GCD heals blindly.

    I don't blame the average player for seeing the healbot as a great healer. The design of the game works against healers. Optimized healing is very difficult to spot unless you understand healing, but heal spamming is very simple to understand. You didn't die, it looks great. Healer is in a very strange spot where it feels rewarding when you're inexperienced but very thankless and unrewarding when you master it.
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    Last edited by Liam_Harper; 10-17-2020 at 08:39 AM.

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    Ashemmi Yarkul
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rae88 View Post
    It's because when a WHM does their job they're not really noticed in the party. Except if they're great, then they are noticed because of the sheer amount of Holys that are put out, unless the tank has limited party effects then the WHM goes unnoticed again.

    It just goes back to the fact that healers are underappreciated. When healers do their job most of the time they're invisible, when they do a bad job they're noticeable. When tanks do a good job they are visible, when they do a bad job it's noticeable.

    It's part of why healing is a more thankless job than tanking. At least when tanks do a decent job they're noticed.

    As a healer main when I play other classes most of the time the healers do a decent enough job to pass all content. And that's WHM's included. They're just not noticed.

    DPS aren't noticed either, but they don't get as much blame as healers do when things go wrong, which makes it a very relaxing role to play outside of savage :P
    This, tbh. For all the worry you hear about Healer DPS, and the OMG I was at 60%, a few do notice the effort you're putting in. In the thousands of instances I've ran, my favorite compliment is still...

    [2:27](RA@Goblin) Holy shut
    [2:27](RA@Goblin) ripped them up
    [2:27](LD@Balmung)
    [2:29](RA@Goblin) we in this *explicative*
    [2:29](RA@Goblin) healer popping off
    [2:29](RA@Goblin) straight carnage
    [2:32](RA@Goblin) no better healer
    [2:32](RA@Goblin) *explicative*

    I laughed so hard...I missed a Holy.
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