Toxic WHM Glare spammers

[Saefinn]

Cannot count the number of times people have died to lack of healing. Cannot count the number of times people fail to rez, and I can count 2 failed CEs due to these 2 reasons. It's more annoying in the case of RDMs though, that's for sure. Also cannot count the number of times non-tanks complain about stance, despite the fact most tanks are dead to you guessed it.. Lack of healing.

I mean, if you're tanking and your stance is not up, then that's a legit complaint. If you died due to lack of healing and people are complaining about your lack of tank stance, chances are the healer was trying to keep themselves alive from something you were supposed to be tanking.

But I am surprised folks are saying it's so frequent, I've spent 7 years playing tank, healer and DPS in this game and never have found the problem to be anywhere near as bad as some people make out.

[Enla]

I mean, if you're tanking and your stance is not up, then that's a legit complaint. If you died due to lack of healing and people are complaining about your lack of tank stance, chances are the healer was trying to keep themselves alive from something you were supposed to be tanking.

But I am surprised folks are saying it's so frequent, I've spent 7 years playing tank, healer and DPS in this game and never have found the problem to be anywhere near as bad as some people make out.

I'm wondering where all these horrible healers are myself. In my entire time playing this game from 2.4 onward I've encountered maaaaaaaaybe three healers who couldn't keep the party alive due to actual lack of skill and not the tank being bad? And only one that I remember with any clarity because it was recent and said healer forced me to heal Amaurot as a RDM - and that was only a thing because my group and I didn't want to deal with the hassle of finding a replacement when healers are already rare these days. Surprisingly you actually can heal that entire dungeon as a RDM and do it while raising the WHM over ten times.

Really I've had more instances of co-healers letting me pick up the slack for them than encountering healers so bad that the entire instance grinds to a shattering halt - but so long as my co-healer is contributing in SOME WAY like DPSing then I don't really mind having to be the dedicated healer. Nor would I count that as a 'bad healer' encounter either when most content in this game really doesn't need more than one healer to be cleared.

[Bright-Flower]

I'm wondering where all these horrible healers are myself. In my entire time playing this game from 2.4 onward I've encountered maaaaaaaaybe three healers who couldn't keep the party alive due to actual lack of skill and not the tank being bad? And only one that I remember with any clarity because it was recent and said healer forced me to heal Amaurot as a RDM - and that was only a thing because my group and I didn't want to deal with the hassle of finding a replacement when healers are already rare these days. Surprisingly you actually can heal that entire dungeon as a RDM and do it while raising the WHM over ten times.

Really I've had more instances of co-healers letting me pick up the slack for them than encountering healers so bad that the entire instance grinds to a shattering halt - but so long as my co-healer is contributing in SOME WAY like DPSing then I don't really mind having to be the dedicated healer. Nor would I count that as a 'bad healer' encounter either when most content in this game really doesn't need more than one healer to be cleared.

I'm not shocked a rdm can, as a paladin there have been times healers have died/dced/left etc and I've had to keep myself and others alive with clemency. Most often in dungeons when the healer dies to some mechanic.

[Kaurhz]

I mean, if you're tanking and your stance is not up, then that's a legit complaint. If you died due to lack of healing and people are complaining about your lack of tank stance, chances are the healer was trying to keep themselves alive from something you were supposed to be tanking.

But I am surprised folks are saying it's so frequent, I've spent 7 years playing tank, healer and DPS in this game and never have found the problem to be anywhere near as bad as some people make out.

If stance it isn't up then yes of course it is a legitimate complaint, that much is obvious, really obvious. This sticks out like a sore thumb in Alliance raids and dungeons, and something I have made the mistake of doing long in the past when I first started to tank content in Alliance Raids and have other tanks die to whatever misfortune befalls them, or be it when I first started to tank dungeon content with poor CD usage or lack thereof. But if I am, or if anyone is indeed dying to lack of healing, whilst healers are busy spamming Glare/Broil/Malefic then I do view it as an entirely different issue. If people want to damage, by all means, just don't enjoy seeing tanks going down to auto-attacks on bosses because of it, or even DPS to room-wide. Just for a group of people to then wonder why they're being swiftly reduced to zero HP and subsequently complaining about it.

Though I guess negative experiences do speak a whole lot louder than positive ones, at least for myself. It's not like it happens every second instance or duty. But at the very least frequent enough in Alliance raids for me desire avoiding it outright.

[TaleraRistain]

The problem with this whole optimal argument is that what is optimal changes based on the situation. In Savage content, optimal may be minimizing healing to pump out dps. But in more casual content with an undergeared or inexperienced group, high dps isn't what's optimal. Supporting the group and keeping them alive is. You can't get into a tunnel vision of "always play like X" especially as WHM, because we're made to be able to react quickly to a variety of situations. But there are way too many WHM out there doing exactly that, and unfortunately those of us who focus on balance and keep our parties in mind get painted with that same brush.

[Kes13a]

Many don't, and yes, that stun is definitely 'healing', it translates directly and quickly. When they do, especially tanks, the dynamics of the party changes. Pop Arms length or other mitigation strats *after* the opening Holy gambit, and you have even more time with less duress. That's another discussion all together in how many tanks forget how fantastic AL is. They remember it as knockback, but greatly discount or forget about that 20% slow.

The stun is exceptionally useful, but then we are also getting into if the tank is competent enough to use their mitigation and never actually SEEN one use AL. the thread is about WHM's which is fine, people can have their opinion and all, but usually if the tank is a moron, cant be bothered to repair their gear responsibly and either does not use mitigation or doesnt even have any on their tool bar... I am too busy to keep from wiping than to worry about tossing out dps. a majority of teh time with rando roulette, its a grab bag of what kind of tank I'll end up with, unless I am running with my friends. If I am, then yes, I'll dps because I know they arent morons

[Hyperia]

First and foremost, I am a healer, that's what I signed up for when I started my WHM 6 years ago. When I am in a dungeon or a normal raid (not EX or Savage), I tend to keep people healed above 75% at all times. Why? Because I enjoy healing, I enjoy helping people and I enjoy not watching them have a mental breakdown because I let them get so low they freak out. Yes they didn't die, I wouldn't let them but still, they don't know me, they don't know my skills in healing. So yea, I keep people above 75% and top them off as needed for their mental health and mine. If there happy, I'm happy. When I am not using direct heals or regens, I am actively using my DPS kit. I love using Holy at least 4 times to stun the mobs on big pulls in dungeons, I'll glare away on bosses when people are above 75%. Once they dip or I know an AOE is about to happen, I'll top them off either with a regen or a fast heal, depending on the need. The only time I will let a tank get low is because I am going to use Benediction and I tell them up front so they know. I also enjoy solo healing so when I see my co-healer going to town on DPS, I'll let them know to go have fun and I'll do most of the healing. I kind of have to as a WHM too... LILIES MUST BE USED for my big nuke... blood for the blood lily. I try to stick to my oGCD heals but I am not afraid to use a GCD heal if needed, its all situational.

So here are my priorities in game:
1. Healing first and keeping people alive
2. Looking good while doing it... because glamour is the true end game
3. Doing DPS when I am not healing

[SweetestLily]

Everytime a healer on this thread educates you your response is the same. "I'm not talking about healers who dps. I'm talking about healers that don't heal."

That's a direct contradiction to the title of this post. You specifically called out "toxic white mage glare spammers" instead of "toxic white mages who refuse to heal" Out if ignorance you equated them to being one and the same. If you don't want white mages who dps properly to defend our playstyle then don't title it so misleadingly.

[Shanir]

I’ve been tanking recently and noticed a few healers who just spam the dps skills when my health is quickly depleting making me pop more cool downs to mitigate the damage, if that’s the case I will pull less mobs.

I see healers not utilise their skills I’ve been in level 60 dungeons and they spam only cure 2, I can’t tank efficiently if I can’t trust my healer.

I love using my whole skill set! And you can still damage and keep everyone topped up all about how you manage your time.

[Limonia]

While it's definitely true what people have said in this thread about "I'm not going to overheal if my co-healer casts Medica + Medica II for every AoE" - I'm trying my best to optimize heals as well, waiting for Asylum or Assize if no healing is needed right now, and spamming Glare A LOT - those WHMs who NEVER heal DO exist as well.

There is a difference between optimization and refusing to do your job of keeping the party alive.

Those kind of healers have existed for years though, and they aren't WHMs only, but SCHs as well (ASTs less so, you often get at least some oGCD heals because Malefic allows for better weaving). I mean if you cast Dia anyway, you can as well weave Asylum or so. But I've absolutely seen healers not even using their oGCD heals after an instant GCD.

Other than that, I'm of the opinion that both healers should use their toolkit when it's needed. Not only one of them. It's better when BOTH healers try to use their GCDs to DPS and their oGCDs to heal. And when there's a situation where you HAVE to use a GCD heal then PLEASE DO IT. Who cares if you lose a Glare/Broil/Malefic? At the same time, you don't have to heal up everyone as soon as they lose 5 HP or your co-healer has nothing to do but spam their one-button DPS rotation.

Also as a tip, I'd recommend never waiting on Assize and treating it as a dps oGcd.

Oh, I use Assize on CD 99% of the time, don't worry. The only time I don't is when it's back up like 1-2 seconds before a raid-wide AoE.
What I said above was worded weirdly. I definitely didn't mean to say that I'm waiting to use Assize for healing when it's up. Rather that I wait FOR Assize to heal my group instead of using a GCD if it's safe.