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  1. #41
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    Ashpd's Avatar
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    Sky Ash
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Re-read my first post in this thread please.



    But I'm talking about Glare cases only. Which of us should use glasses?
    I asked you few times - why i need drop "glare only mod" if co-healer from start healing unoptimal? NOT PRE-PULL. You avoid answer at all
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  2. #42
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    Vickii's Avatar
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    Elise Marie
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    If I’m healing (on any class) and i see the other healer is putting up regens and shield and Medicas or playing cards while the party is at 90 percent, then I’m going to dps.

    I’m doing so to make up for your lack of dps.

    It’s fine saying ‘oh I have to do all the healing because you’re not doing it’ but it works both ways. The game is designed around healers doing dps and there isn’t enough damage at most points of a fight to warrant two healers both healing.
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  3. #43
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    Laphicet Melophicet
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    Mateus
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Re-read my first post in this thread please.
    In such a case I must tell you to git gud and have confidence in letting hp drop lower, you're not supposed to keep everyone's health up all the time and neither is your cohealer. Or maybe you're just being dumb and not noticing the outgoing heals because they're all OGCDs? True green dps are a rarity.

    Also, regens are a thing and so is natural hp regeneration (alongside bloodbath and other dps-specific regen tools), you don't have to rush to get everyone to full a lot of times as there will be a good 20 or 30 seconds before the next instance of raidwide damage in most fights.
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  4. #44
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    RajNish's Avatar
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    Asha Dakwhil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashpd View Post
    I asked you few times - why i need drop "glare only mod" if co-healer from start healing unoptimal? NOT PRE-PULL. You avoid answer at all
    Facepalm. I don't understand why you are asking me this question, while I am talking about healers who do nothing at all only Glare. Even when the group is in critical condition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laphicet View Post
    In such a case I must tell you to git gud and have confidence in letting hp drop lower, you're not supposed to keep everyone's health up all the time and neither is your cohealer. Or maybe you're just being dumb and not noticing the outgoing heals because they're all OGCDs? True green dps are a rarity.

    Also, regens are a thing and so is natural hp regeneration (alongside bloodbath and other dps-specific regen tools), you don't have to rush to get everyone to full a lot of times as there will be a good 20 or 30 seconds before the next instance of raidwide damage in most fights.
    Thank you, I know all of this, I have extensive experience in solo healing and healing whole group as a tank.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vickii View Post
    I’m doing so to make up for your lack of dps.
    What you say is a myth. The real lack of dps is felt when you heal extremely more than your group does damage. Because mobs and bosses hit you harder than you with your pretty green dps. If in normal/alliance raids and regular dungeons healer are forced to do a bunch of dps instead of dpsers, then something is wrong with you, your group and the run in general.
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    Last edited by RajNish; 10-15-2020 at 01:48 AM. Reason: adding

  5. #45
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    Kei Takemi
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    If you want to do "full damage", que as a DPS. Why not? Collecting glams, quick pop and bonuses prevent you from doing this?
    You're basically saying "Play how I want you to play." If that's not toxic, then please tell me what is.
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  6. 10-15-2020 02:35 AM
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    Eh. I'll let shitty players try to justify being AFK for half an instance as healers. Only faster way to prove incompetence i

  7. #46
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    Bopsheezi Tenebrae
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    Seraph
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Now, I don't heal much, but I really don't understand what's wrong with saying "don't DPS spam when people are dying."

    Everyone's all good on hp, and nothing's happening? Glare away.

    50%? Broil 3 go brrrrr.

    2 dps are dead and the main tank is in 4 digits of HP? What are you doing?

    Before anyone says it, yes, a good healer wouldn't have let that happen. But we aren't talking about good healers.
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  8. #47
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    Asha Dakwhil
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Keizerwilson View Post
    You're basically saying "Play how I want you to play." If that's not toxic, then please tell me what is.
    No, I'm just saying heal if you're playing a healer. This is not the way I want you to play, but the way that your role suggests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bopsheezi View Post
    2 dps are dead and the main tank is in 4 digits of HP? What are you doing?

    Before anyone says it, yes, a good healer wouldn't have let that happen. But we aren't talking about good healers.
    Literally yesterday's situation, Coppied Factroy, 3 dps are dead (NIN, SMN, RDM) both heals Broil/Glare spam all that time, who cares... They probably thought they were doing incredible damage.
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    Last edited by RajNish; 10-15-2020 at 03:11 AM.

  9. #48
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    Lana Arunika
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    Balmung
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    TOXIC BLM FIRE IV SPAMMERS

    I know this situation is not new at all, but it is quite annoying and ruins the fun of the game.

    Every time I see a BLM in my party, I expect that this player may not move, instead there will be FIRE IV spam. No thunder, no ice, no virus, not the slightest effort. Sometimes just Blizzard III or Blizzard IV on 5/10% MP, or moving only themselves.

    In 80% of cases, everything turns out to be exactly that toxic way, and either I have to DPS the entire raid alone as a Dragoon, losing a huge amount of time away from boss. Or I have to think only about my own survival instead of wall-to-wall pulls and uptime playing as a tank or dps.

    It's not a big problem if I'm playing PLD or WAR, but I'm not having fun at all, compensating for someone's laziness. The joke about selfish DPS is no longer funny. Cause I come to have fun and not to DPS for them or try to survive while they are throwing fire.

    Disclaimer: Not all BLM's behave this way. There are excellent players to whom I am very grateful, but due to subjective experience, I have met spammers of fire much more often.
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  10. #49
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    SweetestLily's Avatar
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    Darling Doll
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    Jenova
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    Sage Lv 100
    The problem is simply people not knowing how to tell the difference between a healer who is playing their class optimally and one of these bad healers. It is so tiring as a WHM when you get people with PTSD from an experience they had with another WHM and they end up shitting their pants the moment you cast 1 glare.
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  11. #50
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    Sono Faolain
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    Spriggan
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
    TOXIC BLM FIRE IV SPAMMERS

    I know this situation is not new at all, but it is quite annoying and ruins the fun of the game.

    Every time I see a BLM in my party, I expect that this player may not move, instead there will be FIRE IV spam. No thunder, no ice, no virus, not the slightest effort. Sometimes just Blizzard III or Blizzard IV on 5/10% MP, or moving only themselves.

    In 80% of cases, everything turns out to be exactly that toxic way, and either I have to DPS the entire raid alone as a Dragoon, losing a huge amount of time away from boss. Or I have to think only about my own survival instead of wall-to-wall pulls and uptime playing as a tank or dps.

    It's not a big problem if I'm playing PLD or WAR, but I'm not having fun at all, compensating for someone's laziness. The joke about selfish DPS is no longer funny. Cause I come to have fun and not to DPS for them or try to survive while they are throwing fire.

    Disclaimer: Not all BLM's behave this way. There are excellent players to whom I am very grateful, but due to subjective experience, I have met spammers of fire much more often.
    Try harder. Ice mages is a thing still. =)
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    "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."
    J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

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