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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashpd View Post
    And as I say before - if your co-healer start healing unoptimal from start - why need to overheal? Tell me exactly that, not try to avoid that question.
    Standart pre-pull is non optimal? As far as I understand, you are one of those who, having seen the shields, naively believes that shields it's enough? Okaaay. I have seen such wise men in the savage. While they were dealing their damage, the tank was healed by off-tank and raised by dps. Better to switch roles then.
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    Last edited by RajNish; 10-15-2020 at 01:03 AM. Reason: adding

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    Player Seddrinth's Avatar
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    Healers who refuse to heal. DPS who can't dps. What else do you expect from duty finder?
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Standart pre-pull is non optimal? As far as I understand, you are one of those who, having seen the shields, naively believes that shields it's enough? Okaaay.
    I say FROM START. Not PRE-PULL. Turn off your "all whm are toxic bad" and answer question - why need overheal, if co-healer start healing unoptimal (ex. - spam medica after every light aoe)?
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashpd View Post
    Oh, look, let's not include great heal+damage job in party because healer don't play as you want that. Listen, if people not heal you to 100% - its not need it right now. If person dies to avoidable aoe - its their fault, not healer. If person not want solohealing - he can say it. Right now, in THAT GAME (i think we play different games, dunno) if you not at last savage floor/ultimate, you almost don't need to heal with any GCD outside lilies. Some Affiatus Rapture + Tetra + Spam Assize is enought for heal almost every fight. So why need some other with that toolkit + co-healer?
    Read again. I have a problem with people not using anything on huge raidwides and not willing to cover some mistakes for others in order for everyone to succeed and be done with the fight quickly cuz of their "the other one will do it" mentality. I wiped to many times on Hades doom phase exactly cuz of WHMs doing nothing but glares, despite their ability to heal that very quickly. I'm maybe wearing glasses, but I'm not blind, I see if there's an ODCD popping off or not.
    If you know your job well and act like it, I have no problems with you. If you preffer to let others do all the work and spam 1 button no matter what — get out of my group, you're not welcomed here. As far as I know, difference in playstyles is a legit reason for kick. =)
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    "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."
    J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

  5. #35
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    I really hope I NEVER get paired with another healer that thinks it's okay to never heal unless needed because they force the other healer to be "main healer" or whatever.

    That is simply stupid as sh!t.

    As a WHM, and if there's another healer with me, I expect co-healing happening throughout for a smooth run. Don't make sh!t harder for me, please and ty.

    Don't like healing? Don't play healer. Simple.

    EDIT: Wanted to add that I do become a "glare healer" during opportune times, such as when everyone is topped off with good health. Just wanted to clarify so folks don't think I'm one of those healers that only heal ^^;;.
    Trust me, I optimize dps whenever possible. But DPS optimization isn't possible whenever the other healer want's to be specifically a dps. Ya'know?
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    Last edited by Coletergeist; 10-15-2020 at 01:20 AM.

  6. #36
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    If you aren't going to die to any incoming damage soon then I will continue spamming my glare while my asylum tops you up and while I wait for assize to come off cooldown. Sorry if some people don't like that but some people need to learn that unless your healer let's you die to autos or a properly mitigated tank buster then they are doing just fine and don't need to keep you completely healthy 100% of the time.
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  7. #37
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    If I can't use glare the what am I supposed to do? Stand there with my thumb up my ass waiting for enough hp to be lost so my heals aren't wasted?

    A good healer is supposed to get in as much dps as possible while still keeping everyone alive, and in most higher-level casual content this amounts to spamming glare/broil/malefic/gravity/Art of war/Holy with the occasional OGCD, as outgoing damage is pathetically low in most content. Even in ultimates healers will be using their dps skills about 60% of the time, still.

    It's not toxic to play the class optimally, you just lack trust in your healers and expect to be at 100% health all the time, which is just not optimal or practical. (even hurts LB generation, too, as healing people when they are at lower health percentages causes LB to generate faster).

    It's people like you, with your lack of trust and toxic demands that healers constantly baby you, that are a probable cause of this sudden drop in healer quality I've seen this expac (alongside the healer changes themselves). Newer healers sitting in the corner spamming cure 1/benefic I/physik all day because they haven't realized how little damage actually goes out, and are too scared of making people mad because of this false expectation of having to keep everyone at full health that's being perpetuated by craven tank players like yourself.
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    Last edited by Laphicet; 10-15-2020 at 01:21 AM. Reason: Made post easier to read and made some small corrections.

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seddrinth View Post
    Healers who refuse to heal. DPS who can't dps. What else do you expect from duty finder?
    Decency? Oh, wait... Doing their job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashpd View Post
    I say FROM START. Not PRE-PULL. Turn off your "all whm are toxic bad" and answer question - why need overheal, if co-healer start healing unoptimal (ex. - spam medica after every light aoe)?
    They didn't spam Medica they spam Glare only, as I said in my first message. But you're right, it's definitely "healing unoptimal", so you need to spam your dps skills too.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Decency? Oh, wait... Doing their job?



    They didn't spam Medica they spam Glare only, as I said in my first message. But you're right, it's definitely "healing unoptimal", so you need to spam your dps skills too.
    Alright. Take glasses and read. I asked not about Glare only. Well, not answer, i got your point. You don't see anything behind your pink glasses.
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  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetestLily View Post
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    Re-read my first post in this thread please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashpd View Post
    Alright. Take glasses and read. I asked not about Glare only. Well, not answer, i got your point. You don't see anything behind your pink glasses.
    But I'm talking about Glare only cases. Which of us should use glasses?
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    Last edited by RajNish; 10-15-2020 at 01:22 AM. Reason: adding

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