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    Bozja Critique: Almost there, but not quite

    Started the content this morning and pretty instantly found some glaring issues.

    #1 Normal Mobs give zero Mettle, only FATES do. Even S rank mobs don't give Mettle

    So, other than spawning FATES which have a graceful low respawn time, they are pointless. This leads to the dreaded AFKing that the devs wanted to avoid. They facilitated it.

    #2 A lack of the challenge log.

    Makes FATES the ONLY means of progression in Bozja

    #3 A lack of daily quests.

    We have 3 left over daily quests from our Beast tribe allowance, why not allow it in Bozja? For a free unidentified piece for each. SOMETHING OTHER THAN FATES.

    Speaking of FATES:

    #4 The drop rate on the Tortured / Sorrowful / Harrowing is WAY too low.

    It's 100% in the overworld. I did multiple FATES in Bozja with no drop. Outside of Bozja, it's 4 hours start to finish for a relic. Not exactly bad. Mindless, but manageable.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    #1 Normal Mobs give zero Mettle, only FATES do. Even S rank mobs don't give Mettle

    So, other than spawning FATES which have a graceful low respawn time, they are pointless.
    They have other drops.

    #4 The drop rate on the Tortured / Sorrowful / Harrowing is WAY too low.

    It's 100% in the overworld. I did multiple FATES in Bozja with no drop. Outside of Bozja, it's 4 hours start to finish for a relic. Not exactly bad. Mindless, but manageable.
    Yeah, if you want to do Bozja, you can still progress with you weapons upgrade. If you just want to progress with your weapons upgrade, it takes less time to just focus on that. That makes sense.

    If it's as fast to do in Bozja, there is no point to doing it outside as it's easy to do in Bozja.
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    If it's as fast to do in Bozja, there is no point to doing it outside as it's easy to do in Bozja.
    One afternoon of farming in Bozja = 14 atmas
    1 hour of farming fates in the overworld = 26 atmas

    Sorry but no there are basically no reasons to engage in Bozja if the goal is to farm relic weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    One afternoon of farming in Bozja = 14 atmas
    1 hour of farming fates in the overworld = 26 atmas

    Sorry but no there are basically no reasons to engage in Bozja if the goal is to farm relic weapons.
    So you're basically agreeing with what I said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    So you're basically agreeing with what I said.
    I think his point is if there is not reason to do this for the relic weapon then what is the reason for doing it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    I think his point is if there is not reason to do this for the relic weapon then what is the reason for doing it?
    cos it's fun content, there's some cool fights to be hand inside the instance, plus it has story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Listrella View Post
    cos it's fun content, there's some cool fights to be hand inside the instance, plus it has story.
    Eureka also had a story but that alone did not make it worth it. I cannot say how fun it is yet, but I am not liking the amount of luck that is going to be involved in getting a critical engagement. I am also worried that since I will not have been able to run it since this evening I will be too far behind to really enjoy it with others. It seems like one of those things where if you were not in and ranked up within a few hours then you will be doing it solo.
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    yeah got the relic step complete a bit ago, and talking with the people outside bozja one said it was like 12 memories for a couple hours inside. Most efficient is doing FATE's in the HW areas, where as far as i know its guaranteed drop for gold(only time i got worse score was a failed fate, from say trying to solo one that was 4 minutes or less left on the timer) so yeah.... if youre strictly going for the relic it is extremely more efficient to just do 10 fates in each of the hw areas or 20 fates in each pair of hw areas(coerthas/sea of clouds for 1, dravanian forelands/churning mists for 1 and Azyss lla/Dravanian Hinterlands for the third memory type) Part 2 is 6 items from level 60 dungeons synced. can get 1 per daily levelling roullette(not sure if have to be on same job or not)
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    Didn't people complain you HAD TO DO EUREKA IF YOU WANTED A RELIC?

    Now you don't... And people complain....


    Jesus... This is why we never get dev talks anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    One afternoon of farming in Bozja = 14 atmas
    1 hour of farming fates in the overworld = 26 atmas

    Sorry but no there are basically no reasons to engage in Bozja if the goal is to farm relic weapons.
    This. I know in 4 hours I can complete a relic outside of Bozja from start to finish. I've already done one and I'm almost finished with a 2nd. And I know for a fact that I'll have a lot less inside Bozja.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Didn't people complain you HAD TO DO EUREKA IF YOU WANTED A RELIC?

    Now you don't... And people complain....


    Jesus... This is why we never get dev talks anymore.
    Reading comprehension is hard for you apparently. I'm pointing out that the game systems don't give near the same reward for the time invested. At all.

    The main selling point of Bozja is supposed to be the relic. It's orders of magnitude easier to obtain it outside of Bozja.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 10-14-2020 at 04:59 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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