Please give alts on the same service account access to the same personal house.

[Themarvin]

and I would like to add, as when we get that, please remove grandfathering, as now all characters can share same house as well.

[Catstab]

and I would like to add, as when we get that, please remove grandfathering, as now all characters can share same house as well.

Yeah, let's open up those 20-40 grandfathered houses per server. Can't wait to see half a ward's worth of houses go up for sale, it's gonna be great.

[Kenky]

and I would like to add, as when we get that, please remove grandfathering, as now all characters can share same house as well.

And watch SE's bottom line plummet because of all the people that would stop paying multiple monthly subs to keep the houses they genuinely worked hard to get at the time. Y'all really need to stop gunning for old house-owners and refocus your sights on that actual issues instead of scapegoats.

Like shell FCs, bots and, twelve forbid, the placard system that you feel you absolutely must camp every second of every day.

[Jojoya]

And watch SE's bottom line plummet because of all the people that would stop paying multiple monthly subs to keep the houses they genuinely worked hard to get at the time. Y'all really need to stop gunning for old house-owners and refocus your sights on that actual issues instead of scapegoats.

Like shell FCs, bots and, twelve forbid, the placard system that you feel you absolutely must camp every second of every day.

Sorry, it is an issue when a select group of players is allowed a privilege that no other players are allowed and, even worse, that privilege locks some of those other players out of content. It's a MMO - everything needs to be accessible to those interested.

SE's bottom line is not going to plummet if they lost maybe a thousand players out of the close to one million playing (assuming the active player base isn't exceeding that number by now). Most of us are adults with past MMO experience. We know things get taken away as developers move a game forward and old systems end up a detriment to their new goals. We aren't always happy about it but we shrug and go back to playing the game.

Most of those affected wouldn't even quit if it did happened. Housing in this game isn't good enough to be the only reason to pay a sub so those players are clearly still enjoying other parts of the game. Otherwise they'd be playing MMOs like ESO and RIFT, which have far superior housing systems when it comes to location options and item placement, or even single player games like The Sims.

I still don't think removing the grandfather clause is a solution that's going to accomplish anything significant in solving the problem, though. Instead of taking houses away, SE needs to improve the system so every player can own multiple houses instead. Add a better instanced system like those other games are using. Keep the existing wards but stop expanding the number. Let those who like the open neighborhood feeling fight for the privilege and risk demolition.

[Divinemights]

Sorry, it is an issue when a select group of players is allowed a privilege that no other players are allowed and, even worse, that privilege locks some of those other players out of content. It's a MMO - everything needs to be accessible to those interested.

SE's bottom line is not going to plummet if they lost maybe a thousand players out of the close to one million playing (assuming the active player base isn't exceeding that number by now). Most of us are adults with past MMO experience. We know things get taken away as developers move a game forward and old systems end up a detriment to their new goals. We aren't always happy about it but we shrug and go back to playing the game.

You are describing a group of players went to a server that no one wants to go.
Put in a lot efforts on housing plots when majority of players don't even cares about housing.
All of sudden the housing plots becomes a rare resource and you and other people start calling them "people with privilege" and "selfish"......
I don't know.....

[Jojoya]

You are describing a group of players went to a server that no one wants to go.
Put in a lot efforts on housing plots when majority of players don't even cares about housing.
All of sudden the housing plots becomes a rare resource and you and other people start calling them "people with privilege" and "selfish"......
I don't know.....

They did it several years ago when housing availability wasn't a problem except on congested worlds. The state of the game has changed since and availability has become a problem on every world.

Yes, that makes them privileged when current players aren't given the same option.

No where did I call them selfish so please don't put words into my mouth.

Nevertheless, if you bothered to reading you would know I don't believe taking those houses away is the right answer to the current problem.

[Themarvin]

And watch SE's bottom line plummet because of all the people that would stop paying multiple monthly subs to keep the houses they genuinely worked hard to get at the time. Y'all really need to stop gunning for old house-owners and refocus your sights on that actual issues instead of scapegoats.

Like shell FCs, bots and, twelve forbid, the placard system that you feel you absolutely must camp every second of every day.

It is not of a matter, no one should be more equal than others, also, I don't mind if people have 10 different accounts and 1 house on each, because then it is legit having 10 accounts you pay for... if you have a load of houses on same account... then you get more than what the player next to you pay for, and also that player cannot get the same options, as that hole in the system has been shot down.

And please.. worked hard for getting a house?.... you can get gil everywhere in this game, and for a serious crafter then this would not be a hard achievement, and especially not if back in the past where it was less open in who, could craft and who could not.

[Themarvin]

You are describing a group of players went to a server that no one wants to go.
Put in a lot efforts on housing plots when majority of players don't even cares about housing.
All of sudden the housing plots becomes a rare resource and you and other people start calling them "people with privilege" and "selfish"......
I don't know.....

They are getting special treatment by SE, to be kept on allowing having multiple houses, everyone pay for playing this game, and some get special treatment over 1000's of others, I don't understand why you can not see that his is an issue, and also as MMOs in general go, developers put i and take away things all the time from the game, and it should follow the same code of conduct for everyone, when they make it 1 FC and 1 House per account at max.

Also, if worked hard, they can just get the value of the plot(s) paid back to them, and reimbursed the loss, I believe such system already exist with Auto Demolish

[LaylaTsarra]

They are getting special treatment by SE

No they are not. They are keeping what they earned fair and square by following the rules at the time. The decision to grandfather has been made and it'd not going to change because you have a personal vendetta relative to grandfathering. Grandfathered houses are slowly being relinquished as those people quit the game.

also as MMOs in general go, developers put i and take away things all the time from the game.

You care to cite examples of all these things developers have taken away from users after they earned them following the rules? I'd like to know what they are.

You are describing a group of players went to a server that no one wants to go.

Not really. If you've been around for a long time and I've been since beta, you'll remember how housing wards lay open with tons of housing available. One didn't need to transfer servers to get a house or click on a placard with 10 to 20 others. They simply walked up to the house and bought it. Not sure if is was a money issue or just the fact that housing at that time wasn't really in demand. That changed later. I can even remember mansions remaining open for months. Our FC only rushed to get it's money together after the second to last mansion finally sold in Mist on Siren and we decided we wanted the last one. It took a couple weeks as I recall to raise the additional funds. It's certainly not like it is today where all medium and large houses are gone within the first 5 minutes of servers opening to the community when new wards are released.

Nevertheless, if you bothered to reading you would know I don't believe taking those houses away is the right answer to the current problem.

No it not. The issue of housing needs a major fix with not only more wards but better instanced housing alternatives. Once can hope that Ishgard has more that just an additional housing area with more wards and that at the least apartments will get a major revamp including multiple sizes and and more item slots. Being able to share a house with alts is long overdue and the decoupling of workshops to GC should all come packaged with the release.

The game has become increasingly popular and the housing situation needs major work. The addition of deliciated servers for housing which have yet to arrive and be installed perhaps offers hope that many thing will perhaps change for the better. We can try and be optimistic but I'm not going to be surprised if nothing changes other than additional wards.

[Themarvin]

No they are not. They are keeping what they earned fair and square by following the rules at the time. The decision to grandfather has been made and it'd not going to change because you have a personal vendetta relative to grandfathering. Grandfathered houses are slowly being relinquished as those people quit the game.

I also worked hard for getting all the cross class buffs when it was needed for whatever class, even disliking playing some of it... and now updates and patches and expansions later I don't got my beloved flash or anything down those lines, because the developers took it away from me... it is the exact same scenario.... they made the PvP mode the feast bad when they made it 4v4 vs 8v8.... give us back what we used to have devs... they removed the original Diadem in favour of the new one... I used to go and farm whatever materials of age there, but no more... give me that back developers...

These things are the exact same things, people worked for and worked hard on a lot of stuff, people should have the same rights as the one next to them, if no one else can own more than 2 plots for use, then why should a few people if not many have special rights, it is at that standpoint we are at, and it is that you never actually answer... why is the grandfathered persons account more valueable then the one who has not been so much, why do you never answer that question.. it say clear in the ToS and I say very CLEAR that gameplay may change over time as well as requirements to play the game... then tell my why should it not stick to this? The 'having worked hard argument' is getting really old.