FFXIV's Double Standard - Third-Party Usage and Spam Report Trolls

[Reap00]

Xeno deserved the ban. It was a longtime coming. He was the epitome of toxic to players on a consistent basis. I also guarantee you oh mighty defenders of parsers that all content would be cleared regardless of the use of parsers or not.

[MsMisato]

To be fair, Third Party Tools such as ACT and its Triggers do make it easier to do things such as Ultimate and Savage, however it still is violating the User Agreement in this regard. As for the toxicity you mention, I have not seen it except in the smallest minority of groups become used as a tool to bash someone for not doing their DPS or something else. Out of game actions on the other hand should not be as heavy-handed on that punishment, as they have no jurisdiction over those areas(Twitch, Youtube) that have their own individual User Agreements(hence the suspension of a Twitch user for bashing someone's DPS on FFXIV the other time because it was considered 'toxic' or directing their own viewers to attack another streamer in a hateful way). Final Fantasy XIV has no jurisdiction in those areas, and at best can only talk to Twitch/Youtube about it in regards to that site's Terms of Service and User Agreement rather than banning for something that someone said on another site and not in-game(which, if it was in-game, it would be under FFXIV's User Agreement).

I agree the only time I really see it is in very very small groups and on occasion when someone that was being toxic with it while streaming gets slapped with a temp ban.

However, regardless of the streaming platform, the streamer is still bond by SE's Media Usage License and that is how they get banned. For example streamers can't gate their FFXIV videos behind paywalls and such this is dictated in the media usage license. Its a catch all License from SE and tons of corporations have these media usage license. Simply put, because they are streaming on twitch and or you tube or whatever platform they are streaming on, its fair game with with SE regardless. SE has always been the care bear MMO and will do what they need to do keep everyone welcomed to the game. To be fair, the casual market is huge and in the end SE is about making money.

AS for the two big streamers. They both got temp suspensions. They were told what rule and because of the results of the incident of last year, SE simply wont tell you what, when, or which streaming video and that is their prerogative.

This is simply business. Nothing more nothing less.

As for ACT. Its a good a tool, it shows how you are doing, how bad you are doing. It allows you to improve your gameplay. It doesn't give people the right to be butt heads towards each other and that I haven't seen as much. I believe people make it a bigger issue than it is.

[Krojack]

I also guarantee you oh mighty defenders of parsers that all content would be cleared regardless of the use of parsers or not.

So, it doesn't mean someone shouldn't be able to get their own DPS numbers and try to improve as much as possible. Those who oppose parsers do so out of spite. They most likely had some bad experience long ago in WoW and now all parsers are evil and should be banned from the planet.

[Reap00]

So, it doesn't mean someone shouldn't be able to get their own DPS numbers and try to improve as much as possible. Those who oppose parsers do so out of spite. They most likely had some bad experience long ago in WoW and now all parsers are evil and should be banned from the planet.

You don't need a parser to improve. The people that spout that drivel are the same people that enjoy bashing other players because they aren't up to their standard. That is why you don't have parsers in this game officially and never will.

[EaMett]

I also guarantee you oh mighty defenders of parsers that all content would be cleared regardless of the use of parsers or not.

By whom is the question. Access to savage clears would be much more restricted without the current tools used to optimize your play. With no reverse engineering and data mining (as per the ToS) you wouldn't even know what stat to equip. I think people take the theorycrafting for granted. Finding literature on proper rotations would be harder and you would'nt be able to measure your proficiency at any point. You would keep hitting enrage with no clue why, forced to wipe the same content week over week until you can get a bit more gear. And if that gear isn't enough, then what?
It's not like there isn't any precedent here. There are plenty of players in the game that don't have parsing insight and don't read up on their rotation. You see them everywhere in normal content. You would outright never clear the savage tier with even a single of those players in your party. E8S would be an insurmountable wall unless everyone else was 90%, but how likely would that be if nobody had access to parsing?

So sure, all content would be cleared but at what cost? And by which portion of the playerbase?

Parsers are fine, jerks that use them to bully others (for views, likes, whatever) aren't.

[Reap00]

It's always the people who don't do content where performance heavily matters that think this. It's cute every time.

It's always the people who do content where performance heavily matters that think this. It's cute every time.

[ForteNightshade]

You don't need a parser to improve. The people that spout that drivel are the same people that enjoy bashing other players because they aren't up to their standard. That is why you don't have parsers in this game officially and never will.

You do realize every single rotation, theorycraft and guide all rely on parse data and simulations, yes? None of them could exist with accurate information if it weren't for parses because they'd have no way to verify anything. You'd eventually clear content because we inevitably out-gear Savage not because you improved as a player. Even then, it would be substantially harder. Ultimate, on the other hand, would be impossible. The DPS checks are far more strict and without a parser, you have no idea how to improve performance. This is content where if healers and tanks aren't contributing meaningful amounts of DPS, you will wipe. How do you know what's "meaningful" if you literally can't see it? The sheer amount of blame put on DPS players by underperforming tanks and healers would be staggering.

While yes, you can learn the basics without a parse. And even play at a functional level. There comes a point where you need to see results to know whether it's an improvement. This only comes via a parse, either by actively using one yourself or relying on one indirectly through rotate guides and theorycrafts.

[Jojoya]

You don't need a parser to improve. The people that spout that drivel are the same people that enjoy bashing other players because they aren't up to their standard. That is why you don't have parsers in this game officially and never will.

How do you know how to improve when you can't tell the results of what you're doing?

The people who spout drivel like yours are frequently the ones performing the worst with no desire to get better.

[Reap00]

All I see is a lot of crying kids. You won't change my opinion. You don't need parsers.

[SenorPatty]

People don't get banned over "absolutely nothing", otherwise I'd get banned just for greeting or calling out people (without insults) ingame. And Xenos isn't the only streamer who set the precedent for getting banned for shaming via parser.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all up for support of parsers but let's not pretend that streamers like Arthars (spelling?) don't exist and have used the tool irresponsibly. There's always two sides to a story; be upfront with your friend did and try not to minimize it with "absolutely nothing".