Reincarnation and Amaurot

[Rannie]

Yes I know exactly as to why she was summoned by Venat and the rogue group. They saw that Zodiark did not stop the issue that caused the sound summoned her to stop it from happening again as well as to enervate him, ie weaken him.

This whole thing I posted is more of a what if and just a theory craft that I was thinking about due to not seeing anything mentioned or atleast out right mentioned about souls being reincarnated prior to the sundering.

Ie: a soul dies and rages against the heavens due to regret and anger from dying, just like the soul that ended up merging with the conceptual pheonix that was created by Lahabrea and his academics. We don't know if there are any other souls to that extent that were just wandering around in the underworld and ended up building pressure over time like a pressure cooker with the top on wrong causing it to explode.

Or just too many souls trapped there doing the same thing. With that happening, the influx of souls (who if only their aether was used to summon Zodiark to stop the Final Days,) would build up said pressure again as well as the convocations plan to offer up even more souls to get their lost loved one back could in turn cause the exact same issue to happen. Remember, we can never put an exact ratio on how many people or "mortals" they would consider the "equivalent exchange" to what would be needed to bring just one of the Amaurotines back to life including said soul or if this new life would willingly volunteer to give up their lives for the ones gave before.

Also if the introduction of reincarnation wasn't brought in post sundering, all some of the Amaurotines had to do was just until the cycle happened again and counted among those who could see the hue of souls help them to find lost loved ones those people being like Emet-selch or Hythlodaeus.

Again, just a theory and thoughts of mine *shrugs* not going to say I believe it 100% just as an interesting idea.

Edit: btw I feel like I can also blame this slightly on binge watching Ancient Aliens with my father the past week.

[Veloran]

Adding here, we really have no evidence that the "new life" populated by Zodiark was sapient. I think people draw that conclusion because of the current dynamic and say "Well that new life was us", but in fact we have no reason to think the life Zodiark created pre-Sundering was equivalent to the modern life in any way.

[Rannie]

Adding here, we really have no evidence that the "new life" populated by Zodiark was sapient. I think people draw that conclusion because of the current dynamic and say "Well that new life was us", but in fact we have no reason to think the life Zodiark created pre-Sundering was equivalent to the modern life in any way.

Are you meaning for sapient as relating to the human species or the other meaning of it which is wise or attempting to appear wise?

Or are you meaning in terms of sentience?

[Veloran]

Are you meaning for sapient as relating to the human species or the other meaning of it which is wise or attempting to appear wise?

Or are you meaning in terms of sentience?

Sentience just means a being that is receptive to perception and feeling. All animals are sentient. Sapience means the capability for deeper comprehension and thought, like human beings. So yes, what I'm saying is we have no evidence the life that was to be sacrificed had human-level intellect.

[Kesey]

Ie: a soul dies and rages against the heavens due to regret and anger from dying, just like the soul that ended up merging with the conceptual pheonix that was created by Lahabrea and his academics. We don't know if there are any other souls to that extent that were just wandering around in the underworld and ended up building pressure over time like a pressure cooker with the top on wrong causing it to explode.

I feel like the short story with Phoenix is to plant the idea that Louisoix is associated with Ancients in some way.

Maybe this is a stretch, but what if Louisoix was Venat? Or Hythlodaeus? What if the "railing against life" quote is the artistic flourish to justify their association?

The short story also skips the exposition of who created Phoenix other then they worked in the "Words of Lahabrea" (which more like a work department?), but could that creator be associated with the Hydaelyn faction--could that have been Venat?

To my final question, is reincarnation not a thing of the past (I believe it was said the Ancients were immortal) and could it have started after Hydaelyn fractured the world?

[RicaRuin]

The short story also skips the exposition of who created Phoenix other then they worked in the "Words of Lahabrea" (which more like a work department?), but could that creator be associated with the Hydaelyn faction--could that have been Venat?

This year's third story (Ere our curtain falls) confirms the Creator had been Lahabrea.

[Kesey]

This year's third story (Ere our curtain falls) confirms the Creator had been Lahabrea.

I had to go back and read this one, because I missed that line, but you are correct.

This association with Phoenix being created by Lahabrea, which is what Louisoix becomes after interacting with 12 (and those 12 might be 12 Ancients), meanwhile Lahabrea looks on in the flashback echo to the battle of Cartenaeu laughing because he got the 7th calamity off without a hitch. Too much is lining up in this area, like as if our understanding of what transpired there is suspect to a new point of view or reexplanation.