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    Cassandria Everfree
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeulGDarian View Post
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    Please tell me how Demi Bahamut and Demi Phoenix are the same. Phoenix using the bahamut skeleton is the not the same as every egi being able to be every egi. one is cosmetic fluff the other is reused assets. They are not equivalent.

    Downtown isn't a bad thing as you seem it to be. You call it downtime, i call it build up. Please define your terms. how are oyu losing "value"? summoners are not a market.
    Removing cooldown would mean changing a few things to make it work properly. Summon bahamut > trance > trance ends > summon Phoenix > trance > trans ends > summon Odin > trance > trance ends. Where would the downtime here be.
    Obviously just flat removing the cooldown on trance using the current SMN kit would not fix anything. and neither will anything you recommend with the current box of legos.

    Ghosting is not as big of a problem on the demis. you lose maybe 1 attack. You don't lose enkindle, you don't lose a ruin stack(s), you don't lose devotion. the demis do not have to run into range to attack, they don't have to move when the boss moves, they don't have to chase things. They are avaible as soon as you push the bottom and start slaming their abilites.
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    Heul Darian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atamis View Post
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    It is equivalent.
    Pheonix revelation is basicly orange akh morn and his autos are the same but renamed. The only thing they got different is one has everlasting flight, and is chained to trance ,the one that actually changes your spells.
    Do you think that if they added lets say sephirot egi they wouldnt change the attacks into the summons equivalent? taking ifrit for inspiration one aoe and one single target hit. Even the enkindle would look different.
    Exactly like pheonix is to bahamut.
    Also downtime are the moments that the boss goes away leaving you unable to attack. losing value is simply all the potency you lost not cause of your mistake, though on summoner you got options, but cause the fight itself said no. trance unlike aetherflow doesnt have the use and have 60 seconds to use everything , its use it and you have 20 seconds of hits after that any hit you missed is gone for good, same goes for summons . thankfully demi bahamut still retains the mark of the better system that we lost and can be delayed without losing him , pheonix on the other hand cant. Thats something the trance system suffers from . Do you know why it suffers from it now? Because aetherflow was deleted. this is why no matter how fun pheonix is , a trance only summoner is completely undesirable , we already had a superior in every aspect system.


    As for the stuff you say about ghosting between egis and demis. Current rotations work and advice on how to avoid ghosting in both cases. And they dont have to chase things sure but they are also limited by your range, they dont have to chase the boss but they also prioritse following you , Egis have instead the pro of being able to go wherever you want them to, i can tell them to go kill a target while i focus another , in that aspect they are completely independent and in stormblood they where even more being away from gcd or ogcd and being able to tank. As for chasing things and starting as soon as possible , on the first a simple gap closer on the current version of egis will do that, and for them to start at the same time as you all you need to do is place them on the boss and hit sic on 0.7 seconds. And as an additional pro of the egis , they wont stop autoing if you fail to act.
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