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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    This one is not necessarily true, as Past!Ramza possessed his present day counterpart at certain moments in the Return to Ivalice plotline, and also came to our aid alongside Mustadio, Agrias, and TG Cid. Unless time travel is involved, that would mean his soul was still lingering in the world up to that point and thus couldn't have reincarnated.
    Maybe I'm wrong about Ramza. But he was a person traveling the world, fixing problems and gaining friends during a major war. He has all the hallmarks and wore the mantle of Warrior of Light in the ff14 version.

    Plus, I believe we only need a fraction of our aether for the reincarnation process, but this is based on what Ascians say about the process. So it stands to reason like other ghosts in the game its when some aether is left behind by the departed, but rest is reincarnated. No need for time travel.
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    Ramza's soul was lingering in the world keeping Ultima sealed. That was the point of his sacrifice, that he (and Cid, Mustadio, and Agrias) had to stay behind in Orbonne and keep her locked up. As much as I'd love for him to be a past Azem, he quite simply can't be. His soul didn't return to the Lifestream until the end of the raid, which means he was never able to reincarnate.

    I think Tenzen is a very strong possibility though, especially with how much we reminded the Auspices of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    Ramza's soul was lingering in the world keeping Ultima sealed. That was the point of his sacrifice, that he (and Cid, Mustadio, and Agrias) had to stay behind in Orbonne and keep her locked up. As much as I'd love for him to be a past Azem, he quite simply can't be. His soul didn't return to the Lifestream until the end of the raid, which means he was never able to reincarnate.

    I think Tenzen is a very strong possibility though, especially with how much we reminded the Auspices of him.
    That's fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    I think it was very heavily implied that one of your past lives was Tenzen, of Four Lords fame. I believe it was even said you "shared the color of his soul"? So a bit of an early hint there if so.
    The last thing we need is Suzaku mooning over us. Got enough of that during Hells' Kier, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmemeAmeklin View Post
    The last thing we need is Suzaku mooning over us. Got enough of that during Hells' Kier, thanks!
    I think we're in the clear now that she isn't crazy with power.
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    Ever since the reveal of Emet-Selch being behind both the Allagan Empire and Garlean Empire I've come to the idea that Garleans themselves could have been a product of Ascian/Allagan meddling, perhaps a caste from Allag that was created for the purpose of engineering (lore states their third eye helps with this) and unable to use aether against their masters. We already know they manufactured races before with the strong evidence that the Ixal descended from creations of Allag from the Fractal Continuum.

    I mean, we throw around that "happenstance of nature gives them a third eye and unable to wield aether" like it's a normal occurrence, but the fact that every other single race, wild animals, and even races from the Ancient world are all able to wield aether makes Garleans look more like a strange freaks of nature rather than the "normal" race. The only other race that has drastically different rules in regards to aether use are dragons and we know they aren't even from this star and now that the Echo can be given artificially, who's to say locking down aether use is something that couldn't also be down artificially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur View Post
    Ever since the reveal of Emet-Selch being behind both the Allagan Empire and Garlean Empire I've come to the idea that Garleans themselves could have been a product of Ascian/Allagan meddling, perhaps a caste from Allag that was created for the purpose of engineering (lore states their third eye helps with this) and unable to use aether against their masters. We already know they manufactured races before with the strong evidence that the Ixal descended from creations of Allag from the Fractal Continuum.

    I mean, we throw around that "happenstance of nature gives them a third eye and unable to wield aether" like it's a normal occurrence, but the fact that every other single race, wild animals, and even races from the Ancient world are all able to wield aether makes Garleans look more like a strange freaks of nature rather than the "normal" race. The only other race that has drastically different rules in regards to aether use are dragons and we know they aren't even from this star and now that the Echo can be given artificially, who's to say locking down aether use is something that couldn't also be down artificially.
    Its possible. I'm not sure we've been privy to enough Garlean history yet to know the truth, but I'm sure thats coming down the pike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Not all tribes, just the Ixal, who are descended from the Allagan chimeras known as the Iksalion. Other tribes are still believed to be of natural evolution. The Amal'jaa, Kobolds and Sahagin all exist on the First under different names, so those 3 are definitely not man-made.
    The Qiqirn, too. The Qitari story references a First version of the Namazu, but heavily implies that they were wiped out in the Flood.

    I'm fairly sure that the hobgoblins are supposed to be the First's version of the goblins, but they get no development and are only around as random mobs on the beach in Kholusia (and the butt of dwarven insults), so it's pure fanon.
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    The Garleans defintely have ties to Allag. If I remember my Crystal Tower cutscenes, a huge part of the rivalry between Nero and Cid was that Cid was favored over Nero even though his family had 'ties to Allag.' The last straw was Gaius still favoring Cid despite his defection when Nero had the devotion and the pedigree.

    It's my personal belief that the Garlean 3rd eye is actually a type of node. Whether its some form of limiter that prohibits the use of aether or its a latent form of control that has not yet been activated, I don't think its existence is a fluke of biology. I believe its presence is very deliberate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd View Post
    The Garleans defintely have ties to Allag. If I remember my Crystal Tower cutscenes, a huge part of the rivalry between Nero and Cid was that Cid was favored over Nero even though his family had 'ties to Allag.' The last straw was Gaius still favoring Cid despite his defection when Nero had the devotion and the pedigree.

    It's my personal belief that the Garlean 3rd eye is actually a type of node. Whether its some form of limiter that prohibits the use of aether or its a latent form of control that has not yet been activated, I don't think its existence is a fluke of biology. I believe its presence is very deliberate.
    Due to the super physical abilities of the Garleans...perhaps it redirects all aether into their bodies themselves? It would explain why they can't use magic, all the control is already going into the normal functions of their bodies.
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