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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    I'm just going to say it - Hydaelyn's status quo for the world is infinitely more genocidal than the plans of the Ascians. She is responsible for more death than they could ever dream of causing, every living being that has ever died on any of the shards or the Source can ultimately owe that loss of life to Hydaelyn.
    How so? She was summoned after half (or was it 3 quarters?) the population already gave up their lives, and so far her plans seems tobe aimed towards preserving the existing life.

    If its because of the Calamities as your post seems to imply, keep in mind that those are on the Ascians, and as such both have a reactionary and vengeful bent to them and are aimed with hindering her in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morningstar1337 View Post
    How so? She was summoned after half (or was it 3 quarters?) the population already gave up their lives, and so far her plans seems tobe aimed towards preserving the existing life.

    If its because of the Calamities as your post seems to imply, keep in mind that those are on the Ascians, and as such both have a reactionary and vengeful bent to them ad are aimed with hindering her in the first place
    By sundering the star, she made people mortal (at least, that's implied). Therefore anyone that dies to natural causes can be attributed to her actions. And that'd be a lot of lives lost over the last 12000 years. Compared to the Ascians willing to kill everyone once, she'd have killed everyone 120 times over already (and that's just on the source), and would be responsible for many more. From that perspective it's very easy to see the Ascian cause as morally correct, you'd prevent billions of deaths by bringing back the old world so that people will be immortal again.

    Introducing mortality in a world of immortals is really freaking evil if it was intentional, and an eternal curse for those that lived to see it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcwen View Post
    By sundering the star, she made people mortal (at least, that's implied). Therefore anyone that dies to natural causes can be attributed to her actions. And that'd be a lot of lives lost over the last 12000 years. Compared to the Ascians willing to kill everyone once, she'd have killed everyone 120 times over already (and that's just on the source), and would be responsible for many more. From that perspective it's very easy to see the Ascian cause as morally correct, you'd prevent billions of deaths by bringing back the old world so that people will be immortal again.

    Introducing mortality in a world of immortals is really freaking evil if it was intentional, and an eternal curse for those that lived to see it happen.
    Kinda makes sense (though still kinda iffy, a genocide is usually considered a mass murder, with intent, and specifically the removal of an ethnicity or its culture from the planet. And the Aumarotines didn't seem like the "can't be killed" type of immortality. A death by natural cause could be blamed on her, but I kinda doubt that was her intention, even as shady as she seems), though it also depends on your view of reincarnation (as in whether or not people are the same as their past lives). and yet I still kinda doubt that it is comparable, especially since their plans require throwing all of mortal life into the pyre. Past, present and (as evidenced by the Exarch's original timeline) future. All of this to bring back a people that is clearly evidenced to be long gone to begin with (think the Ship of Theseus Paradox, Aumarotines born after the Ascians' success would be immortal, capable of godlike creation magic and larger than even highlanders, but they would still be fundamentally different form the people that the Convocation personally knows, and those that they personally knew, etc).

    Plus we also don't know if it was intentional we didn't see any confirmation of Venat and co going "for the sake of this star we must shorten all lifespans". Though I now want to know exactly who created the "new life" that Venat's faction fought to safeguard, because chances are likely that they were the ones that coded in mortality and thus who created them is germane.
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