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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    As I pointed out in 'Markets and Retainers' unless someone important at SE logs in to the NA servers and tries to sell anything on the market, they will never see it as the issue it is.

    banning the teleporting ones in starter cities and the RMT barkers is going after the low hanging fruit. ban 20,000 of then, I dont care, but SE needs to raise the bar and go after the long term crafting and market bots. If they are serious about cheating, this is something they need to put more resources into. and if they REALLY need tips on how to find them, I am certain I and many other crafters can help them figure out who is doing what.
    Gosh, I'm so tired of market bots. I've been playing the game for over 5 years and used the MB to sell stuff all the time, but I never noticed this issue until recently on my server. You just can't compete with these bots, and you keep seeing the names of the same crafters over and over. I even went as far as to character search 2 of these recurring crafters, and lo and behold, their FCs are definitely not composed of other players. There's even one of them with 2 "FC members" that I see all the time in Old Gridania, just popping out of nowhere next to the summoning bell, interacting with it for some time, then vanishing. The Elezen one has been the same level and wearing the same gear for over 2 months now -.-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eien713 View Post
    Gosh, I'm so tired of market bots. I've been playing the game for over 5 years and used the MB to sell stuff all the time, but I've never noticed this issue until recently on my server. You just can't compete with these bots, and you keep seeing the names of the same crafters over and over. I even went as far as to character search 2 of these recurring crafters, and lo and behold, their FCs are definitely not composed of other players. There's even one of them with 2 "FC members" that I see all the time in Old Gridania, just popping out of nowhere next to the MB, interacting with the summoning bell for some time, then vanishing. The Elezen one has been the same level and wearing the same gear for over 2 months now -.-
    it has gotten out of hand in the last few months. they get them to between 20-30, which is when you get access to retainers, so they can sell, after that, they rotate their "fc members" and they pop on to the summoning bell, undercut, and log on to the next one to do the same... 24/7

    And yeah, usually the crafter is the fc leader with one combat class and all the crafting jobs to 80. the fc minions never level past when they get their retainers, since that would mean leaving their summoning station.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    And yeah, usually the crafter is the fc leader with one combat class and all the crafting jobs to 80.
    Oh my God, yes! I totally forgot about this. All gathering jobs at 80 too. Just checking it out on character search made it clear something was very suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eien713 View Post
    Oh my God, yes! I totally forgot about this. All gathering jobs at 80 too. Just checking it out on character search made it clear something was very suspicious.
    Lodestone is also a very good feature for checking out the "fc"

    Seriously, takes all of 5 minutes, so not sure why SE, since they RUN the game, cant do something more in depth to deal with this. pretty sure its because the people in charge here, havent bothered to communicate that its a prevalent issue here. Someone said that this issue isnt present in Japan. Well.. thats awesome, so why is it present here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    Lodestone is also a very good feature for checking out the "fc"

    Seriously, takes all of 5 minutes, so not sure why SE, since they RUN the game, cant do something more in depth to deal with this. pretty sure its because the people in charge here, havent bothered to communicate that its a prevalent issue here. Someone said that this issue isnt present in Japan. Well.. thats awesome, so why is it present here?
    Yeah, I used the character search feature in the Lodestone, got their FCs from there, then checked all the "FC members" of the suspicious crafters (didn't take long since they were like 4 or 5, tops). It was so easy to tell something fishy was going on. At first, I wasn't 100% sure based on my MB observations, but Lodestone made it undeniably clear botting was at work. I really hope they do something about it but am not really holding my breath
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eien713 View Post
    Gosh, I'm so tired of market bots. I've been playing the game for over 5 years and used the MB to sell stuff all the time, but I never noticed this issue until recently on my server. You just can't compete with these bots, and you keep seeing the names of the same crafters over and over. I even went as far as to character search 2 of these recurring crafters, and lo and behold, their FCs are definitely not composed of other players. There's even one of them with 2 "FC members" that I see all the time in Old Gridania, just popping out of nowhere next to the summoning bell, interacting with it for some time, then vanishing. The Elezen one has been the same level and wearing the same gear for over 2 months now -.-
    They weren't nearly as bad until the mid to end of Stormblood. A notorious botter on Cactuar basically dominates the consumable market; putting up an endless stream of 99 potions. He's gone as far as listing over 10,000 in three days. Unfortunately, SE being so lax has emboldened a lot more players because why not? They know they'll never get banned for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Curious to see how awful the restoration rankings are going to be this time around, considering it's only going to take some minor tweaking for the bot producers to get their scripts functioning for the new nodes/crafts in phase 3.
    I would love nothing more than for SE to congratulation their winners only to find out every single one of them was a bot. Maybe that level of embarrassment might actually wake the dev team up to how bad botting has become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    I would love nothing more than for SE to congratulation their winners only to find out every single one of them was a bot. Maybe that level of embarrassment might actually wake the dev team up to how bad botting has become.
    While that would be an embarrassment, it would only do anything if the dev team was even advised about it.

    My biggest suspicion is they are not told its an issue, and even if it does make it to the person in charge of allocating resources to fix issues, they likely deem it low priority since technically its nothing wrong with the game in terms of a "bug" or "exploit"
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