Quote Originally Posted by Ramesses View Post
Hence, at some point many of these veterans who wanted to help just shrugged and said-- "Screw this, I don't need to interact with this trash. I'll only hang out with my own mates, with other veterans, and develop a cold wall."

Several new players might have viewed this behaviour as elitism but if one examined this whole situation through another facet of reasoning, could anyone blame the veteran players?
Yes, sensible people can. You're basically saying 'vets have an excuse for treating people like trash, so treating them like trash is not treating them like trash'. Having a 'good reason' to be elitist towards others does not change that you're being elitist towards them. That's almost textbook elitism right there 'I consider myself better, so I will consider everyone else to be trash'.

Do you think there's not a reason casual players get testy when useless 'constructive criticism' is leveled at them by people they've spent all of ten minutes playing with, who make it clear as you have they consider said players to be trash? That years of people calling them trash, going on rants and then abusing votekick functions hasn't similarly worn out their tolerance for self styled elitists who nonetheless need to pug their runs?

For every good top end player with actual good advice willing to help others, there's a hundred 'elitists' who just want to abuse their power/knowledge and bash other players, who do things like -

And thus, the toxic party leader and his mates decided to substantiate the stupid toxic excuse that I was "undergeared". Yes indeed, that was their flimsy excuse for trolling. The ignorant idiots -- drunk on the illusion of power -- decided to abuse the vote kick function once they got their clear. Mind you, the leader's behaviour was already sketchy from the onset-- were they a new FC group just trolling on DF? Don't know, don't care-- heck, perhaps these idiots wanted to invite one of their mates to join the party and their toxic solution was to simply kick me with an outrageous excuse. A few minutes later, one of the party members actually messaged me to say he/she thought that was unnecessary, they had loved my tanking and had subsequently disbanded after seeing what the leader did. I ignored the message and shrugged -- not my problem. Sod off mate.
- and you're even using that as an excuse, that you ran into a bunch of elitists looking to deliberately ruin someone's day using one of those typical elitist excuses 'undergeared' 'poor parses' 'does not have the achievement', etc... and you wonder why people who encounter that from elitists constantly are no less annoyed by elitists than you are?

"I'm a Legacy, I'm true FFXIV royalty, I'm on the lists of some world firsts, I've been endorsed by Yoshida himself, I have no need to run the filthy dungeons with these entitled stupid plebs"
Furthermore, like hundreds of other veterans, I rarely come to the forums anymore because its just filled with so much ridiculous toxicity and whinging.
Which is why when vets do post it's to be toxic and whinge about casuals, a group that basically doesn't frequent these forums in the first place.

Sadly, that's what most of the forums have now succumbed to... disillusioned entitlement, complaints, rants, insults, negativity and yet barely any real posts with solid critical suggestions.
Did you intentionally describe your own post there for some sort of ironic effect?

I have no doubt you have experienced plenty of toxic players- because all the casual players you're calling trash have too. But people are not as dumb as you think- and if vets are really approaching novices and casuals with the attitude that they are trash, it's abundantly clear, and of course if you treat someone like trash they're going to react like they've just been treated like trash.