Soul stones really need to be required for 31+ instanced content.

[technole]

Soul Stones are overrated. Can clear things like A12 Savage, min ilevel and no echo without job stone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHZBr4u7yk

Of course that was an era where cross-skills were a thing.

A lot of code in the game is tied to class so it's not something they can snap Emet's finger to change. Lookup most of your armor/weapons that are not relics even at level 80, they are equitable at CNJ/WHM, or MRD/WAR, LNC/DRG, etc.

[Cyreil]

Soul Stones need to be done away with as an equipable item. Once you do the job quest unlock, that should be it. And the job quest should be required to advance in the MSQ like they have done with Crystal Tower now and with the Role Quests in ShadowBringers.

[linayar]

I suspect it's spaghetti code - the game doesn't seem to be able to recognise them as continuous or something.

I'm particularly thinking of the unicorn mount quest where you have to be a conjurer to progess - it won't respond if you're a WHM, even though they're essentially the same.

I would guess they can make a job auto-equip a soulstone all of the time or none of the time, but can't make it calculate based on level.

They can change the requirement of that quest. Better yet, they can hopefully eventually remove classes altogether.

[wereotter]

Could be Road to 70.

That thing causes you to speed level so people might be meeting the level reqs for these dungeons but are still locked behind the MSQ for their job stone. You are likely to hit 30 a while before you reach Sylph Management.

Can confirm. Made an alt to play through with a friend who just came back to the game, and that plus the massive bonus to quest experience, I was above level 30 before getting to that quest. However immediately upon completing that quest the little indicator under the next MSQ quest in the top corner had the sub alert that I now have a new job quest available. So an attentive player will be notified at that point that they can go do the next quest.

[Avenger]

Soul Stones are overrated. Can clear things like A12 Savage, min ilevel and no echo without job stone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHZBr4u7yk

Of course that was an era where cross-skills were a thing.

A lot of code in the game is tied to class so it's not something they can snap Emet's finger to change. Lookup most of your armor/weapons that are not relics even at level 80, they are equitable at CNJ/WHM, or MRD/WAR, LNC/DRG, etc.

technole you are on to something!

from now on I am only queuing for CT without a soulstone; hopefully we can get an entire premade or alliance...

[technole]

technole you are on to something!

from now on I am only queuing for CT without a soulstone; hopefully we can get an entire premade or alliance...

Our FC used to do jobless runs in alliance raids. We even did it day one for Dun Scaith, a lot of fun....and salt out there.

[Bacent]

As long as it doesn't apply to premade full groups. Did a Puppet's Bunker run the other day with 24 people all without soul stones. Took 65 min with no wipes

[Nekaru_Infitima]

Hm.. when I first joined I didn't do my last arcanist quest for summoner for a long time. Not really 'on purpose' per se'. Just that the quest itself was hard for me compared to any others. (NPC kept dying). But I stayed arcanist and was able to hold my own against monsters in dungeons every time it was required. Like I never saw myself carried by the other players... So maybe they just don't know how to play or are being lazy?

[KageTokage]

Hm.. when I first joined I didn't do my last arcanist quest for summoner for a long time. Not really 'on purpose' per se'. Just that the quest itself was hard for me compared to any others. (NPC kept dying). But I stayed arcanist and was able to hold my own against monsters in dungeons every time it was required. Like I never saw myself carried by the other players... So maybe they just don't know how to play or are being lazy?

All of the instances where this happened for me were with players who already had other classes capped, so it's definitely not a case of not knowing.

Lazy, maybe, but deliberate trolling seems more probable. If people want to do jobless challenge runs they should do it with like-minded players rather then forcing themselves into groups that just want to clear and get out.

[Mengh]

I remember queueing up for Trials roulette and getting The Dancing Plague, for there to be a level 73 Pugilist with us. We weren't able to get past the DPS check, although I'm not even sure if it was just because of this one player or if everybody else was doing poor DPS. It definitely took a while though. We ended up kicking him out after a few wipes, and after the replacement came in, the run went pretty smoothly.

How do you go through the whole game without having your soul stone equipped? We asked this person to get their soul stone equipped and they had no idea what we were talking about.