The old HM Primals are STILL required for MSQ????

[DPZ2]

No, they aren't all that hard.

I think the problem is not so much the trials as such, but that you near the end of the storyline and then ... *POOF* you find out that before you can progress further you have to do three trials that doesn't really have anything to do with the story at that point.

The fact that they're required for the first phase of the ARR relic weapon also has a bit to do with their placement.

[MistakeNot]

The fact that they're required for the first phase of the ARR relic weapon also has a bit to do with their placement.

Possibly. I suspect most new players won't bother doing the ARR Relic weapons nowadays, and those who do care about those weapons will often have done the HM trials before embarking on the relic weapon quests - thus needing to do the trials twice.

I am almost inclined to suggest that the first part of the ARR relic weapons quest be integrated in the MSQ, and the HM versions of Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda with it.
That would solve many problems, but would also add a bunch of extra grinding to the MSQ which might not be appreciated by everyone. Not that the first part of the relic weapon quest is all that grindy, but it is still a bunch of extra stuff to do.