Conclusion: We really like FATES, but lie to ourselves.

[Vahlnir]

I think the hate for fates steams from in early ARR fates was the best way to level up so you kinda HAD to do them over and over and over.

Yep. And then they never stopped throwing them at us, starting with the brutal atma grind before they nerfed it. I just want them to stop.