$35, really SE?

[Anzaman]

This mount alone, which has 4 seats and is account wide, is nearly the same price for an outfit for a single character on BDO... People say $18 for an outfit is too much (it is quite pricey), but compared to that? Yikes

Well, BDO also has optional subscription, as far as I know.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

Well, BDO also has optional subscription, as far as I know.

But I wasn't talking about sub prices

[Anzaman]

But I wasn't talking about sub prices

We'd all have more cash to spend on MogStation items if SE would drop the subscription model out.

[Driavna]

We'd all have more cash to spend on MogStation items if SE would drop the subscription model out.

Don't forget about all the expansion packs we have to buy too.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

We'd all have more cash to spend on MogStation items if SE would drop the subscription model out.

They're not going to. It's why we've gotten so many content patches (major and minor)

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

We'd all have more cash to spend on MogStation items if SE would drop the subscription model out.

They're not going to. It's why we've gotten so many content patches (major and minor)[/QUOTE]

Don't forget about all the expansion packs we have to buy too.

I doubt any mmo will offer a free expac on launch day

[Driavna]

I doubt any mmo will offer a free expac on launch day

Depends on the business model.

Also, I will not consider BDO a good example. I will say GW2 or ESO will be a better comparison here.

Like it or not FFXIV already has similar services to many B2P/F2P games, in some cases even a worst implementation. For example, in GW2 you pay it once to expand your inventory while in FFXIV we need to rent it each month.

[ForteNightshade]

Well, BDO also has optional subscription, as far as I know.

It is... and offers significantly less content as a result. They've had six default outfits since the game's original JP release some seven years ago. And most of those outfits are color swaps or downright ugly. Needless to say, if you want your character to look nice, you're spending money. Likewise, their entire furniture catalog is all locked behind a paywall. Designing a house in BDO that looks remotely comparable to some of the designs on HousingSnap for XIV would set you back hundreds of dollars.

Now of this covers how comically P2W PvP is in that game.

You can certainly play the game for free but you'll notice very quickly how much less they're offering as a result.

We'd all have more cash to spend on MogStation items if SE would drop the subscription model out.

Would we? Nearly every single mount, minion and glamour outfit they add through in-game rewards, events and etc. would suddenly have a price attached to them. Mogstation prices may, in fact, go up to compensate for lacking a sub now. Black Desert charges significantly more for outfits. Why wouldn't SE if they weren't generating a guaranteed income? You also have to consider what our sub fee actually covers. The only reason they're able (or willing) to release content every four months is due to our subscription. With a fluctuating income, they may opt to abandon content like maps, raids (of all difficulties), trials, gpose and all assortment of things. There's a reason FTP games update far less frequently.