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  1. #28841
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    It's a weird thing, having run more WHM and gotten used to it. As mentioned, Cure itself is in a weird place because...Well, it's not useful unless you are basically OoM, in which case it's all you have, because things hit hard enough that it just doesn't heal enough on it's own.
    To be fair, I will use it a decent amount in low level dungeons where I am locked out of most of my skills, but in higher level content.. It's just kind of worthless, unless yeah you have nothing else, for example the other healer is dead, and people are getting hit by more mechanics than they should. Normally I'll get more use out of my GCD using glare. Higher level dungeons I will use it sometimes, like using it after a holy or something, though.

    I think I gave a story on here awhile back, one time I was called out for "not doing my job", "not healing", by the other healer. Everybody in the raid turned on me, except for one guy who was like "no, they were definitely healing" (admitted he was using... you know.. the thing).
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 08-27-2020 at 05:13 AM.
    WHM | RDM | DNC

  2. #28842
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    tdb's Avatar
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    Mikayla Rainstone
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    Lich
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I've been called out soo many times for not using cure at all, "not healing". You can't win!
    In what content? Up to Lv51 you should use both Cure and Cure II for single-target heals because you don't have oGCD heals with short cooldowns yet. Cure II has higher potency, but Cure heals more per MP and occasionally allows a free cast of Cure II. Then you get Afflatus Solace (Lv52), Assize (Lv56) and Tetragrammaton (Lv60) in pretty quick succession, and those pretty much make Cure obsolete and relegate Cure II to occasional use. Thin Air at Lv58 helps with MP management too.
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  3. #28843
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdb View Post
    In what content? Up to Lv51 you should use both Cure and Cure II for single-target heals because you don't have oGCD heals with short cooldowns yet. Cure II has higher potency, but Cure heals more per MP and occasionally allows a free cast of Cure II. Then you get Afflatus Solace (Lv52), Assize (Lv56) and Tetragrammaton (Lv60) in pretty quick succession, and those pretty much make Cure obsolete and relegate Cure II to occasional use. Thin Air at Lv58 helps with MP management too.
    I should have clarified in max level content. People don't really understand white mage, unless they have played it. I roll my eyes how often it actually happens.
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  4. #28844
    Player Mhaeric's Avatar
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    Mhaeric Llystrom
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 97
    Quote Originally Posted by HyeSun View Post
    One of the DPS kept saying throughout the dungeon "you probably wont listen to me, but you shouldn't use Cure 1, you should always use Cure 2, is better than Cure 1 if you read the tooltip, but you do you"
    But this is correct. Cure 2 is always better to use than Cure 1 outside of extreme cases like being completely out of mana that you can't cast Cure 2 and need a heal right now. The only advantages that Cure 1 provides over Cure 2 (low mp cost and chance to proc guaranteed crit on next Cure 2) are not worth using it for. The proc chance is too low to be worth fishing for the proc which is also not strong enough to be worth fishing for, and while Cure 1's mp cost is more efficient in terms of healing per mp spent it's far less efficient in terms of dps. You're better off just casting a Glare/Stone/Holy until they drop low enough to need a Cure 2.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyeSun View Post
    He kept insisting on that till the end of the dungeon, even when me, and the tank too, explained to him why no WHM should spam Cure 2 all the time.
    If what you quoted above was a direct quote he wasn't saying to spam Cure 2.
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    Last edited by Mhaeric; 08-27-2020 at 06:58 AM.

  5. #28845
    Player Kuroka's Avatar
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    Ulala Ula
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    Shiva
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Morningstar1337 View Post
    IIRC she proclaims that she isn't with them (her captors) and swears it on what little "virtue" she has. "Virtue" being used as an old-timey euphemism for virginity AFAIK. put two and two together...she's a rape victim
    Hmm im not sure... on german I think she says smt that looks like she actually likes em and was more like "o- oh i not with them, dont hurt me!" but im not 100% sure its the lala...
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  6. #28846
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Paladin Lv 98
    A tank from a different alliance hit me with a "w/e racist" when I called them out for dropping 2 tankbusters on my face in Pupper's Bunker.

    I just wanted my scouting coat man :'(
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  7. #28847
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by tdb View Post
    In what content? Up to Lv51 you should use both Cure and Cure II for single-target heals because you don't have oGCD heals with short cooldowns yet. Cure II has higher potency, but Cure heals more per MP and occasionally allows a free cast of Cure II.
    No.

    Freecure and Cure I are a new player trap. Cure II is better in almost all situations from lv30 onward due to being more GcD efficient. If you used Lucid on cd and run out of mana using Cure II, your tank was either taking silly amounts of damage and Cure wouldn't have kept up anyway, or you were over-healing.
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  8. #28848
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    Hikari Youko
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 100
    That there are two people in DPS jobs (while in Aurum Vale) not using a single AOE skill throughout the entire dungeon at the same time.... What are the odds of that happening. I was so astounded I even laughed when that realization came, lol.

    Forced me as a tank to pull little because poor me and the Healer, hahaha.

    It's kinda funny, to be honest.
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  9. #28849
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    Infindox's Avatar
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Another SoS run in Trials Roulette, another interesting run. Had a new tank and a new dps. Pointed out to the old tank to remember to lb3 and they said yeah I will. Got through the qte part and the tank accidentally set off the lb3 too early, so I assumed the worst.... Only for the new tank to somehow miraculously survive and, in turn, was enough to keep us from having to do Part 1 again. Definitely got my comm lol
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  10. #28850
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    Tenko Chabashira
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    Goblin
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    As someone that has trained WHM up to level 68, I'd like to give my own two cents to the ongoing discussion, as far as post level 50 goes.

    The way I learned, through Duty Roulette and party members counseling me, is to have Regen on the Tank and using Cure 2 in an emergency. I was also taught the Swiftcast+Holy combo for large trash pulls. Now, I have added my own way of doing things for this: for parties that are composed of close range DPS, Asylum is good for keeping party health up. Otherwise, Medica 2 and Cure 3 are good party heals. Thin Air is there for when things get really hairy.

    I have recently gotten into the habit of using Afflatus Solace myself. Every use of that is MP saved on a Cure 2. My personal panic button is Benediction- usually on the Tank when they are cleaved to low health, or myself to keep from dying. I acknowledge that I probably still have a lot to learn, so anyone can add onto this if they want.
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