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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Why Emet-Selch Made a Fake Amaurot on the First
    It's just a phantasmal overlay, not the real thing, and given he's implied to have figured out the PC's true identity as the fragmented Azem it's rather likely Emet-Selch made it as a sendoff to his old friend, who he believed was going to succumb to madness and turn into a monster.

    It's also not possible to have made the fake Amaurot on the Source, since whatever ruins the Ancients left are implied to have been wiped away by the Calamities on the Source.
    I know it's just emet-selch magicks. That the Ancients ruins have been wiped doesn't stop the ascians, specifically someone as proud of his hard labour as emet-selch to have have build his museum on a mere reflection (which they clearly despise), it feels out of character and unjustified really, also the reflections have gone through their own story, there shouldn't be any ruins of amarout left in them by that logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Why the Crystal Tower is on the First
    It's the Crystal Tower from the "Bad Future" where we didn't go to the First, Garlemald used Black Rose to trigger the 8th Calamity, and Norvrandt was annihilated as a result. In this "Bad Future" there were still survivors though, among them Cid and other Ironworks members who eventually unlocked the Crystal Tower. This awakened G'raha Tia, the main protagonist of the Crystal Tower series, who then bound his essence to the Tower in order to survive spacetime jumping through the Rift, then with the help of the Tycoon (an artificial Alexander / Omega hybrid also made by the Ironworks) jumped through spacetime to Norvrandt before the 8th Calamity annihilated it and set in motion plans to prevent that Calamity.
    I know the bad end thing... but was the whole tower transported to the first then? Then that would solve that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Why the Allagans can do so much Crazy Crap
    Allagans, why else?

    In all seriousness, they did have an Ascian set things up, and later discovered Omega for yet more technological leaps. Their lack of ethical boundaries also helped. An Ascian also set up Garlemald, turning it from a forsaken backwater into the world superpower practically overnight in historical terms; they're already managing things the Allagans couldn't do. (As did Bad Future Ironworks.)
    I know of these, thank you, what i have problems is with Allagans having powers like and/or over the Ascians, which this Crystal Tower being also in the reflections would suggest, but if it was Omega/Alexander who transported it, then is more viable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Allagans vs. Ascians
    An Ascian set up Allag, which never managed to achieve everything the Ancients were capable of, so the Ascians win by a wide mile.
    As it's supposed to be, what a crystal tower in each reflection would imply otherwise. But it was moved by Omega/Alexander, implying that whatever created Omega is stronger than Ancients and Ascians both if it's able along Alexander of such a feat. Anyway the whole reflection thing is a mess to begin with.

    The whole jump is still unjustified. Really, Nordvrant shouldn't exist. But it does.
    I can only hope we don't go into yet another reflection.

    Multiverse narratives are so bad, cause they have these consistency problems that are unsolvable. Nordvrant serves no purpose whatsoever to any of the events of the main scenario, everything could have happend in the Source just fine.

    Not to mention i would rather be raiding imperial facilities (Estinien had a better MSQ than us this expansion) trying to stop the black rose instead of playing DLC content of another game, but i guess thats another topic entirely.
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    Last edited by Alexandre_Noireau; 08-27-2020 at 09:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    I know it's just emet-selch magicks. That the Ancients ruins have been wiped doesn't stop the ascians, specifically someone as proud of his hard labour as emet-selch to have have build his museum on a mere reflection (which they clearly despise), it feels out of character and unjustified really, also the reflections have gone through their own story, there shouldn't be any ruins of amarout left in them by that logic.
    I think the reason is not that the reflections have their own history its that their history wasn't peppered with cataclysms of a destructive scale that would wipe even the sturdiest ruins off the map (The Flood of Light was close but Minfilia and co. stopped that before it could flood the Tempest)...but the issue that the sturdiest ruins on the Source had endured 4 calamities (one being a massive earthquake that was meant to bury the civilization that built them, and another is apparently a noah's arc-scale flood) with none the worse for wear and was even a factor in the last of them (granted that DID leave the respective ruins worse for wear. but that was more due to it blowing up from bamahut's emergence than it is external factors.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
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    I argued that there shouldn't be any Amaurotine ruins left as well (super deep in the ocean! Stonework won't last that long!) but writers disagreed I guess. Phantom Amaurot wasn't meant to be a museum, as you put it, just something to make Emet-Selch feel at home and maybe send off his old friend with.

    The whole Crystal Tower from the Bad Future was teleported to the First with the help of the Tycoon. It is beyond the Ascians' capabilities (and the Allagans for that matter) to do such things because the one who really controlled the spacetime warping - the Tycoon - was the product of roughly a century of Ironworks R&D involving Alexander and Omega. It exceeds what came before by learning from the best of the best in their fields and synthesizing them.

    It's entirely unclear who or what created Omega, but that one's extraterrestrial so nobody has any idea how they made it so powerful.

    Again, I can't speak to whether or not the story is to your taste. If you're unsatisfied with it, well... I guess you're unsatisfied with it.

    Personally, I think it's been hit or miss, and though Shadowbringers was very good (and finally got us some answers about the Ascians) I'm well aware it's rather disconnected from the events on the Source. I'm not expecting to hop around other shard worlds either; seems like a way to completely sever player interest in Eorzea itself, which I don't see happenin'.
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