Housing Ownership System Abuse

[Sylvastreak]

Imagine being so delusional and desperate that you want to paint GMs as wrong for upholding their rules. Y'know, ignoring the fact you broke forum rules yourself, but go off on your soapbox.

I'm soooo terribly sorry that I'm delusional enough to think you're a greedy, selfish, amoral person who shouldn't have an entire goddamn ward to yourself for your mini city project when people are still asking SE for more housing wards precisely because there isn't enough housing and you're just gonna rub an entire ward in their faces. You wanna build a city go play sims or city tycoon, don't take up plots people could damn well use just for your ego stroking rp venue.

[Awha]

It's weirdly entitled of you to demand I do things, or don't do things. I'm free to post in whatever thread I want. If RagingStallion can start 3 troll threads a day, I can give a short answer in a thread. What are you going to do about it?

My point was, since you really need it spelled out for you (surprise) is that lots of things in real life are legal but are still immoral. Being fired for being black, gay, etc., for example. In some states or countries, that's legal. Does that make it right or fair? No. There are lots of things that are 'allowed' but are still wrong. One player owning all the houses in a single ward is technically allowed in the game, because, well, it happens. A lot. But is it really fair for one person to have 30+ houses while many have none despite wanting one? No. Legal =/= moral. Get it now? Or is this just one absurdly long one-liner?

To be fair under their own ethical system their actions could be moral. Right and wrong can get murky from person to person. Thus rules and laws are in place it places a structure in the context if the game agree to follow or risk consequences. The rules itself within the game is the only objective standard that we have all agreed to follow. Everything else is kind of moot.

[Kenky]

I'm soooo terribly sorry that I'm delusional enough to think you're a greedy, selfish, amoral person who shouldn't have an entire goddamn ward to yourself for your mini city project when people are still asking SE for more housing wards precisely because there isn't enough housing and you're just gonna rub an entire ward in their faces. You wanna build a city go play sims or city tycoon, don't take up plots people could damn well use just for your ego stroking rp venue.

Or.. And here's a big shocker.

Not try to cause a witch-hunt because they have done something the game allows?

Think about it. With Housing the way it is, there is really only one or two reasons to get a house. For your Free Company, since they get systems that actually unlock and create otherwise unobtainable items. Yet to that end, we have shell FCs, FCs that own the plot, yet do not use any of the systems offered them and FCs that actively troll other people by relocation-spamming.

Even with all of that knowledge, FC housing is at an all time low. The last time we got a Ward upgrade, all of the people who wanted an FC house, didn't do a damn thing and within two weeks, the restrictions (That helped them, mind!) were removed and houses were swallowed up by Personal House owners.

Attacking someone for deciding to play by the games rules and seek their own fulfillment is a big no-go. Especially when you were told they weren't breaking any rules by the moderators of the game.

Drop this charade and save some dignity. Or go over the edge and lose all access to the game, so you can complain about being "Wrongfully banned" because you tried to openly attack another player.

[Awha]

I'm soooo terribly sorry that I'm delusional enough to think you're a greedy, selfish, amoral person who shouldn't have an entire goddamn ward to yourself for your mini city project when people are still asking SE for more housing wards precisely because there isn't enough housing and you're just gonna rub an entire ward in their faces. You wanna build a city go play sims or city tycoon, don't take up plots people could damn well use just for your ego stroking rp venue.

Do not think it was your intent but you are really making this into haves verse have nots which cones off as petty and childish.

[ErysNight]

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There will always be Have and Have nots. Even in your scenario outlined here, you're only looking at it one dimensionally. Conversely, I think the only thing SE is required to do is ensure that everyone as equal access to all **functionality** that the game offers.

So housing actually servers 4 different types of functionality:
1.) Decorating
2.) Workshops
3.) Crossbreed Gardening
4.) Aetherwheels

I don't think it's right that 2 of those are locked behind owning a physical plot. If we take this notion and compare it to what you're asking for, there are a couple holes in the logic.

1.) If you're issue with someone owning multiple homes is that it stops others from the decorating function, then your concept of "have's and have nots" don't apply here because EVERYONE can decorate in game. Apartments and FC rooms are instanced and available for way cheaper. If you're going to add a layer to this argument and say everyone should have an equal decorating experience, then you should then be focusng on getting SE to purge the notion of different sized houses and make Apartments and FC rooms which are already widely available equal.

2.) If you're issue with someone owning multiple homes is that it stops others from having a workshop or a garden, then you should be advocating that SE rather make those functionality public and not locked behind owning a physical plot since everyone paying the same sub should get the same content access.

In both scenarios, someone owning a ward is not the issue.

Square enix punishing long standing members that THEY elected to grandfather in 2 years ago, for a short term fix (because taking away grandfathered houses will not fix the housing crisis) is bad business. These players have been active paying customers for a lot longer than housing has been popular.

IMO, it's SE's duty to ensure everyone gets full access to the same features for our sub (regardless if players choose to pursue them or not) as a baseline and then implement instanced housing wards while leaving existing players alone.

Because from your earlier point. $450 a month for owning a ward is definitely a flex some of us would do to keep our homes and sure, some people would still seek to demonize even if it's within SE's rules but you're not going to solve this problem by trying to punish people you're mad at.

It's just my opinion but housing people Haves and Have nots, should band together to try and convey to SE that they need to fix this situation asap in the best interest of all the players.

Of course it's an opposing opinion, I am not trying to change your mind, just offering a different perspective.

[ErysNight]

I'm soooo terribly sorry that I'm delusional enough to think you're a greedy, selfish, amoral person who shouldn't have an entire goddamn ward to yourself for your mini city project when people are still asking SE for more housing wards precisely because there isn't enough housing and you're just gonna rub an entire ward in their faces. You wanna build a city go play sims or city tycoon, don't take up plots people could damn well use just for your ego stroking rp venue.

As someone that's been playing since well before housing was popular, well before my server was this populated and has earned ridiculous wealth just by playing the game pretty much daily. I do find it incredibly insane that people look to long standing players as "selfish and greedy" when the things they've done were 100% within the rules of the game and kosher at the time in which they did them. Being on a dead world with massive amounts of fully devalued houses, and you have an interest in housing? Well at the time you're not gonna pull out your crystal ball and say "well... when stormblood comes out people will finally realize what I've realized all along and try to get in on this" and refrain from legally buying multiple houses.

It's not my job to be a psychic when this very game allowed you to own alll the houses you wanted at any point in time.

To ask SE to punish players that have been here by stripping away what they worked for is actually what's selfish.

The real solution here is asking SE to provide an equal housing opportunity or all.

[xxvaynxx]

Its goblet. Most people wouldnt care.
But at least shirogane and ishgard will be safe from this.

[Sylvastreak]

I'm interested to learn what the REAL IDEAL amount of houses to own per person are per the pitchfork mobs on these forums.
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Entertain me OF. What are the logical loops you'll jump through to demonize this incredibly legal method of owning multiple homes?
I am legit interested in opinions on this.

"Logical loops" Common sense would prevail if anyone had any left.
Fine, I'll "entertain" you, though I doubt it'll change your mind at all and of course I'll still get jumped on for thinking this is taking the mick out of the system.
People can currently have 1 fc house and 1 personal house per world per service account, yes. That is what SE says.

"Incredibly legal" yet still amoral, selfish and greedy, and still hoarding - which is what SE was trying to stop with this system along with housing reselling. It's within ToS (somehow), but it's still someone abusing the system that was put in place by using multiple service accounts to hoard up a large amount of housing, whether or not a GM thinks it's okay under whatever rule they reported themselves for. And I once again don't care if they can afford it. You're all defending this without considering if they're also ruining someone else's experience by denying them a house - and I mean REAL people, NOT service accounts. There IS the inappropriate behaviour clause in support and they WERE urged to use their best judgement, but chose to do it anyway and deprive people of housing in-game for their project.

It doesn't matter how many wards SE add to the game, you'll spend forever wanting more while defending people who are making it worse by owning ENTIRE WARDS.

No, I am not only annoyed at this instance. There are other people who have done this on other servers and they're just as bad, frankly. I am also irate that two people can take up an entire ward and just be grandfathered in no problem. I'm irate at people owning five houses on one server and being grandfathered in.
There should be an timer for them to let houses demolish and compensation - refund them the full cost of the house in gil, take the binding status off furniture so they can sell it, increase storage/placement spaces on all housing and especially mansions as that is definitely not high enough, going by other folks' complaints and repeated requests in the forums. Take them down to the same amount as everyone else across the game, no matter what DC.

Any way that will make it damn well clear to them that while this is legal it's also not fair on other players in the game, whatever people on here seem to jump through their own hoops to try and defend.

But of course, I'm just entertaining you so I doubt you've actually read any of this.

[Sylvastreak]

Its goblet. Most people wouldnt care.
But at least shirogane and ishgard will be safe from this.

wait until ishgard opens up and they relocate every house, then people will no doubt suddenly care.

[Penthea]

I do find it incredibly insane that people look to long standing players as "selfish and greedy" when the things they've done were 100% within the rules of the game

Hrmm...just because something doesn't go against rules doesn't automatically mean that doing that thing cannot be selfish or greedy. A rule or lack of one doesn't make an action bad or good. It simply makes it permitted or not allowed.