Housing Ownership System Abuse

[k99]

I'm sure everyone is tired of seeing me pop in every now and then to do the whole "morals are not rules" reminder thing so I'll get right to the point.

OP you are in violation of forum rules by singling out a user by name. You may have censored the name, but you left the FC name fully visible. Rule broken. It is only a matter of time before this thread is locked/deleted.

OP you are constantly harassing players beyond logic about something that isn't a violation of rules and your only argument is that it is immoral. As you already know, moral decisions are not enforced by rules in the game world. The only time they are enforced upon is when they serve to inconvenience or grief players as detailed by the GM in the well-posted logs. Simply buying houses in mass is nothing that has grounds to be disciplined or enforced. Intent is the key word, and unless proven, there is no way to make a move.

OP you are constantly manipulating information in this argument, needlessly spreading hate and negativity, and you are encouraging others to gang up on users who are trying to explain why this mob mentality is unacceptable and going as far as trying to convince people that GMs cannot be trusted because you are unsatisfied with the way their ruling has worked out for you. You have been very vocal about how you do not care if houses were obtained either on the same account or separate accounts, and it is clear you are simply here to drag this matter out as much as possible. Your intent is clearly not resolution, but further drama.

The others in this thread who always chime in every time and continue to direct people's anger towards people who own multiple homes is nothing short of detrimental to the effort of ever resolving this or ever finding common ground to have a constructive discussion. Is is a really sad sight to see people turning into animals over something like housing in a game. This community should be better than this.

I understand that many of you are frustrated with the situation of housing, and you have a right to be frustrated. But desperately searching for a person to single out, blame, and ostracize is not the answer. If you are unsatisfied with the moral decisions of other players, breaking the ToS to start witch hunts against players on the forum is not the way. You should take your concerns to support tickets or chat and let them decide. We the players are not the judge that enforces the rules. It is your GM staff and SE who has the final say. This non stop harassment of players who are simply following their passion of housing, no matter how extreme, has to come to an end. The very people who are arguing morals in this matter are exercising very poor moral judgement themselves with their pitchfork approach.

[Almagnus1]

The others in this thread who always chime in every time and continue to direct people's anger towards people who own multiple homes is nothing short of detrimental to the effort of ever resolving this or ever finding common ground to have a constructive discussion. Is is a really sad sight to see people turning into animals over something like housing in a game. This community should be better than this.

Did it ever occur to you by having one side basically ignoring the other's argument you end up with perfectly rational people going BAN EVERYONE THAT HAS MORE THAN ONE PERSONAL HOUSE AND CONTROLS SHELL FCS FOR HOUSING instead of talking it over like a rational adult?

It's not a one way street here, both sides are guilty of contributing to this cluster - and it's high time the multiple house owners admit they're in the wrong.

[Kenky]

it's high time the multiple house owners admit they're in the wrong.

But they're not..?

Again. If the game allows you to do it, then you're welcome to do it. The GMs aren't going to punish house-hoarders because "They have a house and I don't." sorts of reasoning. What they do is in bad taste and indeed greedy / selfish. But if the plots weren't being used before they had the idea, then they can't be slighted for people being upset after the fact, when they themselves had the exact same amount of time to buy up one of the plots.

First come, first served. Crying because you were late to the party is pointless.

[Catstab]

it's high time the multiple house owners admit they're in the wrong.

Multiple house owners aren't wrong. They're collecting things, in an MMO where the whole point is to collect things.

[Almagnus1]

Multiple house owners aren't wrong. They're collecting things, in an MMO where the whole point is to collect things.

It is when you've exceeded more than one personal house per account, and more than one FC per account as per the restrictions SE had laid out at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ .

My exact stance is that anyone that doesn't have a subscription to cover those excess houses is exploiting the system. For example, there should be 59 subscriptions to cover the houses in the OP for that to be considered acceptable.

[Catstab]

It is when

Nope. SE grandfathered people into ownership of multiple houses. It's perfectly allowable. You not liking it doesn't make it wrong.

[Sylvastreak]

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I have kept my stance constant, and I will still say that while it isn't a violation of the rules, it is absolutely taking advantage of the system and shouldn't be allowed, but as you say SE and GMs have the final say.

While I may be disagreeing wholeheartedly and consistently with the GM's decision on this situation, nowhere have I said that they cannot be trusted as a blanket statement. Please explain to me though, how buying up an entire ward's worth of houses is not inconveniencing other players when we have all at least managed to agree that there is not enough housing in the game overall? Because it certainly looks like it's an inconvenience.

I will agree that I appear to be waving a pitchfork at one person in particular and concede that I should have put in the first post that this is not the only instance of it I disagree with, as I've stated in my replies to Erys. I will also concede that this was written while I was particularly irate with the entire situation of people buying up wards, even under the new system that is supposed to somewhat limit it. Partially because it is on a relatively new world that was made for new characters and players to be able to enjoy, and had its timers extended on housing to make sure people on that server had an equal chance to earn enough gil to buy it, and partially because I will still say that the community is shooting itself in the foot by defending this kind of buying up of wards yet shouting for more. And the post was not exactly written well or very clearly.

And I will reiterate, I do not condone or encourage the death threats or doxxing that people have been aiming at this particular person on other social platforms nor was it ever my intention to do so. I was initially under the impression that this was a huge fc that had split itself. The fact that this is a single player, though, still annoys me more.

[k99]

My point was, since you really need it spelled out for you (surprise) is that lots of things in real life are legal but are still immoral. Being fired for being black, gay, etc., example. In some states or countries, that's legal. Does that make it right or fair?

Just a side note, I feel it may be somewhat extreme to draw parallels to sensitive civil rights matters to the acquisition of virtual homes in a game. It greatly cheapens the importance and impact of such events. Making a comparison like this is just misuse of people's true misfortunes to try and escalate the actual severity of housing in a video game.

[Sylvastreak]

As an extra note, I haven't been knowingly manipulating any information presented to me - disagreeing with it is a whole different matter as is arguing against it. Replying with an opinion is also not manipulating information.