Housing Ownership System Abuse

[Catstab]

Adding to this, the way Square Enix have it setup, you can have up to *8* service accounts (subscriptions) under the same main account. So it's not even as if someone with multiple accounts is doing something wrong as SE have set it up to actually make this easier for them (same login/authenticator for up to 8 subscriptions).

Interesting. So they could always consider selling these as 'half accounts' where you couldn't own houses, but you'd pay $10 a month instead of $15. The problem is SE would sell fewer of them because many people buy second accounts for housing, and they would make less money since they were selling at a lower price. Ultimately, SE has decided that secondary accounts are full price and full rights.

[Awha]

It's one person with several accounts. There's nothing fair about them denying other players a house just so they can play dollhouse.

Hi, as a player that has bought and leveled a couple of accounts in hopes of buying many plots. From SE POV we are different accounts, the player is just enjoying their hobby and has the means / desire go the extra mile. It I time consuming to do what they did and maintain it.

Enjoy what you have do not worry about others. They are just enjoying a hobby.

[Sylvastreak]

I don't give a porxie's flying butt if SE have set it up to make it easier, nor do I care that "it's technically a different player". The part I do care about is that it's unfair to other players when this person has literally admitted to a GM they're hoarding an entire ward and subdivision to themselves and nothing has been done about it even under inappropriate behaviour or affecting game balance! And the way you lot care more about arguing over instanced housing or "just ask for more housing wards, that'll fix it" says a whole lot about your mentality towards it! I suspect I'll see most of you cooing over their "gorgeous housing designs" when they get the entire ward done!!

[Catstab]

I don't give a porxie's flying butt if SE have set it up to make it easier, nor do I care that "it's technically a different player". The part I do care about is that it's unfair to other players

Technically a different player means they are the other players. To make it fair to the multiple account buyer, they have to have the same privileges as any player.

You can refuse to recognize them as separate players, that doesn't make it so. SE sees 2nd accounts as separate. They don't need our permission. You can feel free to make a "don't let players open additional accounts" thread, but SE is very unlikely to ever do it. They're a business, and additional accounts mean more money to them. Businesses like money.

[Kenky]

So.. This is just another thread of someone complaining about a loophole that isn't actually a loophole?

Great.

If anything in this thread truly was against ToS, SE would've probably dealt with it by now. As it's said multiple times, if the game allows you to do it, then it's okay to do it. At the end of the day, they made new characters, grinded out levels and Grand Company XP to get to the point of owning a house, then earning the gil to -get- the house and even THEN, plan it all out to own an entire ward.

Props to the owner, as I'm sure (if they went through legit channels. For this, I'm going to assume they indeed did things legit) it took some serious time and motivation to get where they sit right now. At the end of this proverbial debate, it just boils down to "you weren't fast enough to get a house in that ward" and.. sadly, that is truth.

Plenty of people come to this game, expecting to just get a house easily. Then run into the fact that even veterans from heavensward time may not even own a house at this point, because of the old system that got exploited to the point where we have the current system as a slap on the wrist. Sure, owning an entire ward for yourself is in poor taste and certainly gets you angry whispers and pointless aggression, but they aren't breaking any rules, griefing or violating the Terms of Service. They just used the systems given to them.

It's not abuse of a system when the system allows you to do things like this..

[Miminming]

I don't give a porxie's flying butt if SE have set it up to make it easier, nor do I care that "it's technically a different player". The part I do care about is that it's unfair to other players when this person has literally admitted to a GM they're hoarding an entire ward and subdivision to themselves and nothing has been done about it even under inappropriate behaviour or affecting game balance! And the way you lot care more about arguing over instanced housing or "just ask for more housing wards, that'll fix it" says a whole lot about your mentality towards it! I suspect I'll see most of you cooing over their "gorgeous housing designs" when they get the entire ward done!!

SE set up the rule, and the rule is one housing per character it's fair and square.
again, morale wise not the best bit.are they breaking any rule? no they aren't and there's 0 reason to take that housing that they get by playing the rule awa from them...
what you are saying is like people should gayher up all the money in the world and re-distribute them because it's unfair.

[Sylvastreak]

You're all complaining to SE that there's not enough housing while supporting people hoarding housing and plots "because they can". You are all hypocrites and this forum is a goddamn cesspit. Awha, as someone who literally struggled to get a housing plot for an fc house, do not hoard houses for the love of the Twelve. You might see it as a hobby but it really does affect other people and prevent them from accessing a lot of fc stuff at the very least, as well as closing off opportunities for people to use the gardening system and chocobo stabling.

[Kuroka]

You're all complaining to SE that there's not enough housing while supporting people hoarding housing and plots "because they can". You are all hypocrites and this forum is a goddamn cesspit. Awha, as someone who literally struggled to get a housing plot for an fc house, do not hoard houses for the love of the Twelve. You might see it as a hobby but it really does affect other people and prevent them from accessing a lot of fc stuff at the very least, as well as closing off opportunities for people to use the gardening system and chocobo stabling.

Yes... if you wanna play the sims or smt, then do that and dont play an mmo with limited shared housing...

And rubbing it into peoples faces by using such tags is just nasty.

[Catstab]

You're all complaining to SE that there's not enough housing while supporting people hoarding housing and plots "because they can". You are all hypocrites and this forum is a goddamn cesspit. Awha, as someone who literally struggled to get a housing plot for an fc house, do not hoard houses for the love of the Twelve. You might see it as a hobby but it really does affect other people and prevent them from accessing a lot of fc stuff at the very least, as well as closing off opportunities for people to use the gardening system and chocobo stabling.

We're supporting players who have houses.

Again, the problem is not the 3,780 characters who have personal houses. The problem is that 5,040 houses exist for an average of 24,000 people on NA servers, leaving roughly 20,220 homeless per server. Even if we deleted every personal house in the game and started over, there would be 20,220 homeless after the houses were purchased once again. In short, we need 4 or 5 times the wards we currently have. SE knows this, and they are working to launch more. They might even implement instanced housing with Ishgard - we won't know till they announce it.

But taking away the 3,780 currently owned houses won't solve the problem. In fact it will deprive many players of time spent, it will deprive many players of enjoyment - those players will in turn cancel their subs, depriving SE of subscription money, a lot of it. This lost money will result in a reduction in quality of the game which will hurt everyone who plays it. You are asking SE to hurt us players, and hurt themselves. They have already decided not to do this. This is why grandfathered housing exists.

Some players don't decorate their houses. Some players don't enter their houses. Some players use their houses regularly. Every one of these players deserves to keep their houses, unless they decide not to enter their house for 45 consecutive days. That is SE's determination on the matter. There is sound logic behind this decision, and we who support it are not being hypocritical.

[Awha]

You're all complaining to SE that there's not enough housing while supporting people hoarding housing and plots "because they can". You are all hypocrites and this forum is a goddamn cesspit. Awha, as someone who literally struggled to get a housing plot for an fc house, do not hoard houses for the love of the Twelve. You might see it as a hobby but it really does affect other people and prevent them from accessing a lot of fc stuff at the very least, as well as closing off opportunities for people to use the gardening system and chocobo stabling.

Perosnally I think people would be better off if they did not view housing as an entitlement. That aside why should I care about the enjoyment of others in yhe game when you are not offering the same? You are trying to paint those that play differently from you as a villain because they do not mesh with your agenda or vision as to what is fair.

Why should your view be the standard? No rules were broken? Not upset or anything just curious. Players do not make the rules, nor can the enforce them, and nor should they try to take sction into their own hands because of a personal perceived injustice. Can d I disagree and voice for change but I do think it is fair to try a lay the burden on the players for SE design choices.