During Yokai watch event, make fate bosses immune to Doom please

[Shougun]

If they actually decide to nerf/change BLU due to this, then they are capable of balancing it and turning it into a normal job.

You either have unbalanced and limited.
Or
Balanced and normal job.
SE pick one.

I love they did balance it but didn't balance it but say they didn't want to but then we have issues where they maybe should. Its just this hilarious jump rope.

Gotta give players the original unbalance they say, then they give players the worst angel whisper in the history of FF games, gotta be balanced for content they say so they add trinity content (mimic spell) and add even more immunities to spells than what the job started with.

I feel like a gremlin that was fed after dark. Just shower me in water now. Hit me with that aqua breath.

In terms of some construction to my salt lol, beyond what I think is a decent concept of 'both' (is both limited and a normal job)- I think the limited side could use further restrictions on FATEs. Such that Blue Mage can destroy FATEs when areas are not overly populated, that the immunities FATEs experience might be increased during high population but will revert on lower population (allowing a blue mage to rofl stomp even major FATE bosses if no one is around, exception to something like Behemoth though).

When back seat driver/shower thinking on blue mage I thought of blue mist as a fun way to lore that concept in. Such that blue mist is rather toxic to those untrained to imbibed and such that the job has a toggle to go from limited to normal based on certain criteria (like not in huge FATE dog piles), such that the blue mage when alone or with other blue mages or 'friends' you can go beast mode but you wouldn't second hand blue mist someone you can't protect. Adding to the carnival aspect in that blue mage is able to show off their skills when they're on the stage and the audience is at a distance, making them good at that concept and adding some baked in job mechanical lore to that idea. So their popularity would be limited if you thought to randomly sprinkle through your army if you didn't trust each blue mage to be very cognizant of their potential friendly harm.

Of course in more detail I think they could use with a mix of limited and normal and the job could have been better designed to allow interesting gameplay sooner (majority of my optimal play of the job has been one or two spells, far more simplistic and less interesting mechanically than actual jobs and that stays true until you get many PF skills) and as it is most often you read 'oooh I'm having so much fun thanks to blue, where in the pinnacle of my play is casting missile over and over and over- i'd hate this super spammy content if I couldn't run it so fast'.

Which to me reads as an example of an issue with old FATE events and how old jobs work with FATEs (just like old dungeons and old jobs), insult to blue that so much hype of the job is around getting to spam a gimmick (hype on that one spell I guess) and that the particular job's hype is coming from acceleration which is in particular an issue because I bet you'd see far less blue mage for things like moogle tomestones or these FATEs if you gave the power to another job to go equally as fast. Which is to say it's not blue mage, it's the speed blue mage provides that is interest for many (from readings why many appreciate/use it). If you made magitek gundam suits that went just as or faster than blue mage I guarantee you (especially if it was faster, even if only slightly) most would be using that then instead (most, not saying all).

Imagine taking the time to level and play a class, use its skills as designed by the devs, and then be reprimanded by other people for playing that class as intended cause you can do things they cant due to class mechanics and that bothers them.

Just like when the servers were melting due to overpopulation the direction of ire should be at SE mostly, can scoff at the players but honestly they're just doing what the system allowed (even in some ways encouraged). The gods of the land that design mechanics rather than those who use what was made for pretty much intended purposes. So in a sense agreeing, but in so much that I think simply issues be redirected to the true source rather than at players doing what the job was designed to do.

It would be nice if players tried to have some awareness of others enjoyment and work as a sort of community but that's never going to happen at a large scale, we've hardly the culture for it like maybe Japan servers.

"My fun over your fun, community be sent to the styx if need be." Also why I liked that quote made earlier about developers having to protect their players lol. Like never assume a player isn't going to do something silly to your interface.

Sometimes there is nothing that can be done but ruin the fun for all, so have to be careful with that of course- there is such a thing as one person ruining for the bunch. Which is why I thought if they are going to make things immune for this event they only do so temporarily.

[Fynlar]

Except one has already been confirmed by SE to be griefing, and the other one has been a thing since BLU came out and SE didn't state or "fix the issue" at all whatsoever.

Because there's been no real reason to do so until now. Original Yokai event was before BLU, as far as I remember.

This hasn't really been brought into the spotlight until now, because now it's actually affecting other players to the point topics like this have gotten made.

Running away and leashing hunt marks and BLU using BLU skills is comparing apples to oranges. While I may not necessarily agree with certain BLU skills being used, even I can see that.

If you think something can't be used to intentionally troll just because it's part of someone's skillset, I don't know what to tell you. Haven't you seen all the topics here complaining about Rescue?

Lets just cut to the chase. Lets just make it so you cant get credit while on BLU. Cause after you cant use missile and similar skills, itll be "Rams Voice to strong and unfair and is finishing fates to fast. Nerf please."

This won't stop the trolls. Immunity to the instadeath/chunk skills would.

Comparing these skills to Ram's Voice (which isn't even anywhere near as strong as you're implying) is a joke.

[Vahlnir]

Because there's been no real reason to do so until now. Original Yokai event was before BLU, as far as I remember.



If you think something can't be used to intentionally troll just because it's part of someone's skillset, I don't know what to tell you. Haven't you seen all the topics here complaining about Rescue?

You are still comparing apples to oranges. BLU was designed to do exactly what it is doing, whether I agree with it or not. Rescue is also a useful tool that a very small minority might use for evil. Also, I have not seen all the topics complaining about Rescue. Actually can't recall seeing one in the last 6 months at least. Feel free to enlighten me though.

[Fynlar]

You are still comparing apples to oranges. BLU was designed to do exactly what it is doing, whether I agree with it or not.

And it's broken. Broken things should get fixed.

FATEs post-ARR are all given immunities to the offending BLU skills for a reason. This is an oversight, period.

Also, I have not seen all the topics complaining about Rescue.

Look harder; there's been several. Not going to do your homework for you.

[Vahlnir]

And it's broken. Broken things should get fixed.

FATEs post-ARR are all given immunities to the offending BLU skills for a reason. This is an oversight, period.

Look harder; there's been several. Not going to do your homework for you.

I'm not saying that nothing shouldn't be done. I'm just saying that BLU is designed RIGHT NOW to do exactly what it is doing. Obviously some things could and probably should be tweaked.

Also, if you can't provide proof that I have not personally seen in at least half a year then you will have to forgive me if I don't take you seriously. If Rescue was such a problem then I would imagine the forums would be swarming with threads about it.

[Crushnight]

Laws of overworld content;
-you own nothing,
-you can do whatever is available to you as intended by the devs,
-you can pull what you want,
-you cannot purposefully reset mobs deleting contribution

Blu is not breaking any rules nor is its kit an oversight by the developers, remember before Blu could get to lv60 it could 1 shot things but it was less broken in ARR content than Rdm was, it had everything people are complaining about back then except 51-60 primal skills.

Is it unfair if I wanted to do fates in Asys Lla that I'm stuck at lv60 as Blu but every other job gets to be over lv60?

For the HW zones I used Blu because I could, i Doom'd when I was alone because I could I used my kit as much as possible because I like to try my best while having fun. Tough cookies if others cannot make it to fates I killed, they don't own them just like I don't own them, I am not breaking any rules nor am I being a jerk I'm just playing the game as designed, if others don't make it, oh well, not like I haven't been there before with ARR relic books or anything like that (Eureka cough cough), you just move on, it is less hassle, less drearysome, and far less salty.

Wanting to nerf Blu because it can be the most beneficial for something is stupid, may as well turn every job into a clone of another in its role because can't have a job be more beneficial than another ever can we /s.

Just let Blu have this thing it deserves something. You got 3-4 months plenty of time to get everything, smell the roses if the zerg bothers you.

[Awha]

People really upset that BLU is busted in content it was designed to be busted in. Seems legit. Overworld is BLU territory.

[Juicymama]

clearly most of the complainers never played ff11 blu on release, it was born to be broken XD

same goes to ff14 blu, hence it's a level limit job. Imagine lv 80 blu with lv 80 blu spells doing lv 80 content in a group of blu. The dream.

[Nayout]

Finally, do you know that in some areas bosses are immune to Doom / etc? Find out what those areas are and go to complete fates in those areas.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I'm not saying that nothing shouldn't be done. I'm just saying that BLU is designed RIGHT NOW to do exactly what it is doing. Obviously some things could and probably should be tweaked.

Also, if you can't provide proof that I have not personally seen in at least half a year then you will have to forgive me if I don't take you seriously. If Rescue was such a problem then I would imagine the forums would be swarming with threads about it.

He's bringing up Rescue because he hates it and wants to pretend it's a bigger issue than it really is. Blantant case of an interested party tooting their own horn.

Finally, do you know that in some areas bosses are immune to Doom / etc? Find out what those areas are and go to complete fates in those areas.

That would be Stormblood as a whole (maybe with the exception of a small part of Fringes).