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    Why hate on BLU overworld content is like one of the few things they excel at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    Why hate on BLU overworld content is like one of the few things they excel at.
    Imagine going into a savage raid extreme trial where your static insists on bringing a black mage.
    And in this scenario xenoglossy does 50% of the bosses hp so you don't even get to see most of the fight.
    And only the blackmage gets the book each week totem, and you can only roll greed on drops where the blackmage can roll need whenever.
    You're told "just find another static" so you do.
    Every static has this setup because it's meta.

    That's this.
    and the answer to it is "don't play the videogame, or switch to a job you aren't interested in to not play the videogame harder, and we can't fix this because not playing the videogame is this job's identity"
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    Last edited by Roda; 08-21-2020 at 02:54 AM. Reason: CAN'T UNDERSTAND UNLESS COMPLETELY TECHICALLY ACCURATE ON EVERY POINT, HOW DO EXPERIENCE WORK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    Imagine going into a savage raid where your static insists on bringing a black mage.
    And in this scenario xenoglossy does 50% of the bosses hp so you don't even get to see most of the fight.
    And only the blackmage gets the book each week, and you can only roll greed on drops where the blackmage can roll need whenever.
    You're told "just find another static" so you do.
    Every static has this setup because it's meta.

    That's this.
    and the answer to it is "don't play the videogame, or switch to a job you aren't interested in to not play the videogame harder, and we can't fix this because not playing the videogame is this job's identity"
    Imagine comparing an item that is taken out once a week with fates that spawns every 5 minutes with 3 zones to do.
    With the Hunt understand the complaints of the early pulls but with fates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayout View Post
    Imagine comparing an item that is taken out once a week with fates that spawns every 5 minutes with 3 zones to do.
    With the Hunt understand the complaints of the early pulls but with fates?
    Imagine being told not to completely trivialize content for everyone using a small handful of spells that remove the ability to participate for other players, and instead use a different handful of spells to trivialize content for yourself AND be able to leave content available for others to participate in, and then comparing that request to people coming for your very lives.
    Stop pretending to be oppressed when others ask for basic courtesy and consideration.
    I used the content that's relevant to my interests. I personally care more about doing the fights than I do about the loot, we can shift the comparison to ex trials if it would make you feel better. The effect would still be the same. Going in to participate in a thing, and someone immediately ending it before I can even get what I want out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    Imagine being told not to completely trivialize content for everyone using a small handful of spells that remove the ability to participate for other players, and instead use a different handful of spells to trivialize content for yourself AND be able to leave content available for others to participate in, and then comparing that request to people coming for your very lives.
    Stop pretending to be oppressed when others ask for basic courtesy and consideration.
    I used the content that's relevant to my interests. I personally care more about doing the fights than I do about the loot, we can shift the comparison to ex trials if it would make you feel better. The effect would still be the same. Going in to participate in a thing, and someone immediately ending it before I can even get what I want out of it.
    I agree with you but if you are going to use an example do it right.
    I do not care exactly the situation with the Blue Mage compared to many people who do not stop crying and over exaggerate a problem.

    I hope that SE does not change anything, the class works perfectly and everything is perfect, the problem is the people and not the systems. If this event lasts only a week, it would be upsetting, but there are still 3 months to do an event that with Blue Mage problems does not take more than 2 days. Do you think I'm going to ask for nerfs or cry for something that can be done in 2 days when there are still 3 months to do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayout View Post
    I agree with you but if you are going to use an example do it right.
    I do not care exactly the situation with the Blue Mage compared to many people who do not stop crying and over exaggerate a problem.

    I hope that SE does not change anything, the class works perfectly and everything is perfect, the problem is the people and not the systems. If this event lasts only a week, it would be upsetting, but there are still 3 months to do an event that with Blue Mage problems does not take more than 2 days. Do you think I'm going to ask for nerfs or cry for something that can be done in 2 days when there are still 3 months to do it?
    In my naivety I forgot that people only see raiding as a means to the ends of bigger number, instead of experiencing fights my bad but let's be able to take a positive out of my grave crime and say that this is excellent practice for people to think about other players' experiences in an mmo. Not everyone enjoys or experiences games the same way, and it's fine to experience games in a way that you find fun, but you have to consider whether or not your experience is actively harming how other people play the game and if there is any compromise that can be found. The compromise here, is obviously, if you don't actually want to play the game, just mightyguard and whitewind your party and move to the next fate while other people do the work for you. Other people get credit, you don't have to play the game, you get a constant stream of fate credit without having to wait until the map can catch up with spawning fates.

    I very much disagree that everything is working perfectly. This situation is exactly why emergency patches / hotfixes are a thing. It's why they put the timer on being out of combat to switch jobs. It's why they're trying to figure out how to fix level 80s powerleveling blus. It's why they fixed ungarmax. Not every function they put into the game works perfectly as intended. Yes, people are being completely selfish and inconsiderate jerks, but it's also on SE for basically giving people the tools to be jerks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    Imagine being told not to completely trivialize content for everyone using a small handful of spells that remove the ability to participate for other players, and instead use a different handful of spells to trivialize content for yourself AND be able to leave content available for others to participate in, and then comparing that request to people coming for your very lives.
    Stop pretending to be oppressed when others ask for basic courtesy and consideration.
    I used the content that's relevant to my interests. I personally care more about doing the fights than I do about the loot, we can shift the comparison to ex trials if it would make you feel better. The effect would still be the same. Going in to participate in a thing, and someone immediately ending it before I can even get what I want out of it.
    Imagine taking the time to level and play a class, use its skills as designed by the devs, and then be reprimanded by other people for playing that class as intended cause you can do things they cant due to class mechanics and that bothers them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Imagine taking the time to level and play a class, use its skills as designed by the devs, and then be reprimanded by other people for playing that class as intended cause you can do things they cant due to class mechanics and that bothers them.
    Oh my god. "Repremanded?" You know it's ok to feel remorse when people inform you that you've been making their experience worse right? Like it's a totally healthy response to that kind of social interaction.
    No one is jealous. I'd be pissed if my preferred job could oneshot things too.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (of course, it wouldn't be my preferred job then 'cause I don't quite enjoy not playing the game)

    Also, come on, if it was "intended" for blus to be able to interact with random people using their full overpowered kit, they'd be allowed in duty roulettes. Y'all pls.
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    Last edited by Roda; 08-21-2020 at 03:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    Imagine going into a savage raid where your static insists on bringing a black mage.
    And in this scenario xenoglossy does 50% of the bosses hp so you don't even get to see most of the fight.
    And only the blackmage gets the book each week, and you can only roll greed on drops where the blackmage can roll need whenever.
    You're told "just find another static" so you do.
    Every static has this setup because it's meta.

    That's this.
    and the answer to it is "don't play the videogame, or switch to a job you aren't interested in to not play the videogame harder, and we can't fix this because not playing the videogame is this job's identity"
    There is nothing to imagine because it's not a savage fight with weekly lock outs. It's FATEs.
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    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    Imagine going into a savage raid extreme trial where your static insists on bringing a black mage.
    And in this scenario xenoglossy does 50% of the bosses hp so you don't even get to see most of the fight.
    And only the blackmage gets the book each week totem, and you can only roll greed on drops where the blackmage can roll need whenever.
    You're told "just find another static" so you do.
    Every static has this setup because it's meta.

    That's this.
    and the answer to it is "don't play the videogame, or switch to a job you aren't interested in to not play the videogame harder, and we can't fix this because not playing the videogame is this job's identity"
    I get where you are coming from, but the reality is overwod content is a FFA so to speak nor much structure or focus on team play unlike other forms of content that focus on the group aspect.

    in short overworld content structure imo should be a free for all. If you are a capable of doing something then do it. You have no obligation to wait for others. The answer is simple do not like being left behind wait or join. Do not a
    try to make it so you caanot be left I n the dust. Overworld is not meant to be fair.
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    Last edited by Awha; 08-21-2020 at 03:33 AM.