No more QTE please.

[Enla]

I wouldn't mind it if this one wasn't either A.) Nearly 8 seconds long or B.) Requiring a degree of button mashing that goes a step further than all the other past QTE experiences. Either one or the other would have been fine, but together it was legitimately painful. And I'm not being facetious. I have arthritic hands and it was physically painful to do this QTE due to those two factors. I didn't need to 'git gud', button mashing requires no skill, but I had to take a break after the trial because I was hurting from it. There are multiple other avenues they could have explored in order to lend that sense of helplessness to the fight that don't actually hurt people who are a particular kind of disabled. Even a supp'd up Suzaku DDR experience would be fine with me.

[Miracle_Diva]

I doubt they will remove qte from the trial, but I'm sure they could make it easier. It's just a button smashing. Not that I have problems with it, but I know a few people with physical problems, it was hard for them to clear.

[Lhunuial]

Cool, ask for a solution that only affects you. Not ask to change the whole fight for everyone, over a small group of people.



Funny, all I see here on this board constantly is people using the disability card for pity or to make the game easier more than already is. At this point, "don't advise them on their gameplay. They might have a disability as far as you know" is a meme as much as "you don't pay my sub".



Ofc I'm devaluing them. Because you and others are overvaluing them, enough that you can ask for the game to change for everyone. Aren't you devaluing me in the first place, over my "contrived challenges"?

Great. We're human beings. just like you. We're not different than you. We just have our limitations and for that we're asking for a minor adjustment to the QTE. So many people here should stop trying to be an alpha male gamer diehard who only want the game to cater to what they think is challenging.

We are not asking for pity.

And I am not asking for the fight to be AFK-able. I never AFK during fights, I want them to be engaging and to not cause me physical pain.

[Fynlar]

Worse come to worse disband and reque.

And what good does that do for the person who can't clear the QTE? Do you think this sort of thing will suddenly become easier for them to clear with another group?

Oh, that's right, you don't care about the people who can't clear it. Just admit that, won't you?

Why don't we ask SE to change the QTE instead of instantly nerfing every mofo thing? Why is NERF the first thing people do. Change how the QTE works but don't nerf.

News flash: a change to make something easier IS a nerf.

People are (rightfully) asking for a nerf on this because one person failing a QTE should not wipe the whole group, period. No QTE in this game that I'm aware of has worked like this before, and this just opens the door wide open to 1) people who legitimately can't clear it getting harassed and bailed on because they're "holding back" their party, 2) trolls who will just fail it on purpose to be jerks until they're kicked, and 3) people who encounter someone in group #1 but think they're part of group #2, compounding the potential harassment issue.

There's just really nothing good to come out of letting things stand as they are.

[Lhunuial]

And what good does that do for the person who can't clear the QTE? Do you think this sort of thing will suddenly become easier for them to clear with another group?

Oh, that's right, you don't care about the people who can't clear it. Just admit that, won't you?

News flash: a change to make something easier IS a nerf.

People are (rightfully) asking for a nerf on this because one person failing a QTE should not wipe the whole group, period. No QTE in this game that I'm aware of has worked like this before, and this just opens the door wide open to 1) people who legitimately can't clear it getting harassed and bailed on because they're "holding back" their party, 2) trolls who will just fail it on purpose to be jerks until they're kicked, and 3) people who encounter someone in group #1 but think they're part of group #2, compounding the potential harassment issue.

There's just really nothing good to come out of letting things stand as they are.

Exactly! Disbanding and requeing does nothing for the person who can't clear the QTE. That's what this is about! It won't get easier for that person if they have to clear it with another group. If anything, it makes it worse, because anxiety starts to build because of that QTE and that makes it even harder to clear it. I have that right now. I have left groups and requeued and each time my anxiety about that QTE increased because I kept failing and was forced out of the party because I held them back. The people who can't clear it are stuck. And that's what has to change.

Fynlar nails exactly what the problem is and what we're running into right now. And that's why the QTE in the trial should be changed.

As Fynlar says: Just admit you guys don't care about the people who can't clear it.

Oh, and for the record: Square Enix has an Accessibility Team. They do care about their games being accessible to everyone.

[Hatfright]

this just opens the door wide open to 1) people who legitimately can't clear it getting harassed and bailed on because they're "holding back" their party, 2) trolls who will just fail it on purpose to be jerks until they're kicked, and 3) people who encounter someone in group #1 but think they're part of group #2, compounding the potential harassment issue.

I second this. You don't need to look further than LotA to find some jerks who thinks ruining a run for everyone somehow makes them special. And I'm not talking about unaware sprouts.

If we want a mechanic that punishes everybody in the group if 1 person fails, there was a nice ones in the past. Tsuku Ex comes to mind with her meteors: drop one in the wrong spot and bam, everyone's dead but maybe tank, if not right away then in a few second due to moon stacks. Does it punish for failing? Yes. Does it feels like undeserved punishment? No. Not to such extremes, but close is Sephiroth Ex (not unsync obv.): didn't get to your position depending on the color — you're dead or your teammate dead cuz of you. Or look at Hades for that matter. Don't catch a meteor, you kill your party. Don't turn a tether away, you kill the party. That's what I find engaging, learning what you need to do in order for everyone to succeed. And damn it feels rewarding to finally clear a fight, knowing you executed your role to the finest. Not to press one button "to win".

[Canada_bangs]

And what good does that do for the person who can't clear the QTE? Do you think this sort of thing will suddenly become easier for them to clear with another group?

Oh, that's right, you don't care about the people who can't clear it. Just admit that, won't you?

News flash: a change to make something easier IS a nerf.

People are (rightfully) asking for a nerf on this because one person failing a QTE should not wipe the whole group, period. No QTE in this game that I'm aware of has worked like this before, and this just opens the door wide open to 1) people who legitimately can't clear it getting harassed and bailed on because they're "holding back" their party, 2) trolls who will just fail it on purpose to be jerks until they're kicked, and 3) people who encounter someone in group #1 but think they're part of group #2, compounding the potential harassment issue.

There's just really nothing good to come out of letting things stand as they are.

I don't have to admit shit because that's not how I feel. Don't put a spin on my thoughts when you don't know me bruh. I was and am trying to come up with a middle ground cause yes I LIKE that mech. If the QTE is what the issue then I don't see what I said was so bad. You can't pass it because of the QTE right? So whats wrong with just changing that into something like a QCF? And whats this hate for making sure everyone is not afk in the instance? The part of that I like IS the fact we all have to put in. Why is that bad? A QCF motion is way easier on hands then the QTE. Lets ask for that instead of just nerfing it to the point we all can be afk. And yes.. changing the QTE would be a techinal nerf but atleast if they only change that the part I like about the fight is still there. Whats wrong with asking for EVERYONE to be woke and succeed?

I swear its like how dare I like that right? I'm not saying this is what it is but from the outside it just looks like people don't want to put in effort at all and just want hand me downs. Cause even when I try to meet in the middle I get told I don't care and whatever else. In other words.. you're not making a good picture for yourselfs here. And I'm trying to meet.

[Fynlar]

I don't have to admit shit because that's not how I feel.

It is, nevertheless, what you're effectively saying.

And whats this hate for making sure everyone is not afk in the instance?

Whats wrong with asking for EVERYONE to be woke and succeed?

Because that isn't the reason why people are vocally against this QTE. You're strawmanning and ignoring the things that people are telling you that don't fit your narrative.

There isn't a significant issue of people queueing this (or most things) and then just afking, other than for PVP, which practically encourages it due to its "rewarded win or lose" nature. Nothing like this was needed to try to "make sure" people aren't afking, and even then, what makes you think it's right to punish an entire group just because one person is?

I'd like to know what your defense is regarding the people who are trying to pass this QTE (and therefore, are not afking) and yet they still don't pass it, and the group wipes anyway. Kinda indicates to me that this mechanic is not necessarily doing a good job of weeding out the afkers (like you seem convinced is what it's for), just weeding out the people that for whatever reason can't spam button presses fast enough, and also weeding out anyone who is unfortunate enough to be partied with them, since they end up failing for no reason too.

Also have no clue what a QCF is supposed to be.

[Lhunuial]

I don't have to admit shit because that's not how I feel. Don't put a spin on my thoughts when you don't know me bruh. I was and am trying to come up with a middle ground cause yes I LIKE that mech. If the QTE is what the issue then I don't see what I said was so bad. You can't pass it because of the QTE right? So whats wrong with just changing that into something like a QCF? And whats this hate for making sure everyone is not afk in the instance? The part of that I like IS the fact we all have to put in. Why is that bad? A QCF motion is way easier on hands then the QTE. Lets ask for that instead of just nerfing it to the point we all can be afk. And yes.. changing the QTE would be a techinal nerf but atleast if they only change that the part I like about the fight is still there. Whats wrong with asking for EVERYONE to be woke and succeed?

I swear its like how dare I like that right? I'm not saying this is what it is but from the outside it just looks like people don't want to put in effort at all and just want hand me downs. Cause even when I try to meet in the middle I get told I don't care and whatever else. In other words.. you're not making a good picture for yourselfs here. And I'm trying to meet.

Then do explain what a QCF is and why that would be better?

We also want to meet in the middle.

That's what this about. We want to make sure all the effort we put in to succeed makes us succeed, because you can be sure we are trying really hard to succeed, but we get punished for having a disability. We are putting in all that we have, but that this QTE is designed in a way that makes it impossible for us to succeed is why we want it changed.

Why can't you see that we are putting in all the effort that we can? And we fail regardless because of something that's out of our control and therefore are kept out of the rest of the story.

[Jojoya]

Whats wrong with asking for EVERYONE to be woke and succeed?

Because it's story mode and it's blocking the progress of everyone in the group (who were randomly matched more likely than not) from progressing in the story. Because it's telling people with physical disabilities that they're no longer welcome to experience the story.

I've got no problem if SE wants to include one person fails and the group wipes in EX/Savage/Ultimate. It does not belong in story mode.