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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    No, this is not a challenge, this is an absolutely unreasonable move in a casual game that players with different abilities go through, forcing them to press the button many times, and then, if they cannot do this, oppose the whole group that has a wipe.

    What you are doing now is common bullying. For the reason that you do not like the fact that others from their position, politely report the shortcomings of the game mechanics. I bet you will soon be disappointed with this mechanic when someone will start trolling your group.
    What you are all doing now is asking for the game to solve your issues for you, instead of working and finding alternate solutions. Trump carding disabilities because finding solutions is too hard.

    I wouldn't be surprised if some people here are just arguing along with the mindset of "I just want the trial to be AFKable".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    What you are all doing now is asking for the game to solve your issues for you, instead of working and finding alternate solutions.
    Okay. I will repeat this for you one more time, and again if necessary. We, as the users who bought this product, are discussing the shortcomings that people with disabilities faced in the latest patch.

    SE sells entertainment not only to you, but also to us, moreover, we, like you, regularly pay for their services. Therefore, we will openly discuss what we consider important. Deal with it or leave the thread or find an alternative solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Trump carding disabilities because finding solutions is too hard.
    People with disabilities who play this game find solutions every day that you don't even know about. They have enough problems in real life that they have to overcome, without your contrived "challenges".

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if some people here are just arguing along with the mindset of "I just want the trial to be AFKable".
    Now you are devaluing our experience, our efforts and our feelings. This speaks badly about you not only as a player, but also as a person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Okay. I will repeat this for you one more time, and again if necessary. We, as the users who bought this product, are discussing the shortcomings that people with disabilities faced in the latest patch.

    SE sells entertainment not only to you, but also to us, moreover, we, like you, regularly pay for their services. Therefore, we will openly discuss what we consider important. Deal with it or leave the thread or find an alternative solution.
    Cool, ask for a solution that only affects you. Not ask to change the whole fight for everyone, over a small group of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    People with disabilities who play this game find solutions every day that you don't even know about. They have enough problems in real life that they have to overcome, without your contrived "challenges".
    Funny, all I see here on this board constantly is people using the disability card for pity or to make the game easier more than already is. At this point, "don't advise them on their gameplay. They might have a disability as far as you know" is a meme as much as "you don't pay my sub".

    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Now you are devaluing our experience, our efforts and our feelings. This speaks badly about you not only as a player, but also as a person.
    Ofc I'm devaluing them. Because you and others are overvaluing them, enough that you can ask for the game to change for everyone. Aren't you devaluing me in the first place, over my "contrived challenges"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Cool, ask for a solution that only affects you. Not ask to change the whole fight for everyone, over a small group of people.
    We ask the developers to change not the whole fight (if you did not read carefully), we ask to change the QTE. For example, so that the whole group does not die because one player failed.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Funny, all I see here on this board constantly is people using the disability card for pity or to make the game easier more than already is.
    No one wants your or anyone else's pity. Please read the beginning of this thread carefully and stop inventing non-existent reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Ofc I'm devaluing them. Because you and others are overvaluing them, enough that you can ask for the game to change for everyone. Aren't you devaluing me in the first place, over my "contrived challenges"?
    More than one person here has said that they are pressing a button through real physical pain. Is this an overvaluation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Cool, ask for a solution that only affects you. Not ask to change the whole fight for everyone, over a small group of people.



    Funny, all I see here on this board constantly is people using the disability card for pity or to make the game easier more than already is. At this point, "don't advise them on their gameplay. They might have a disability as far as you know" is a meme as much as "you don't pay my sub".



    Ofc I'm devaluing them. Because you and others are overvaluing them, enough that you can ask for the game to change for everyone. Aren't you devaluing me in the first place, over my "contrived challenges"?

    Great. We're human beings. just like you. We're not different than you. We just have our limitations and for that we're asking for a minor adjustment to the QTE. So many people here should stop trying to be an alpha male gamer diehard who only want the game to cater to what they think is challenging.

    We are not asking for pity.

    And I am not asking for the fight to be AFK-able. I never AFK during fights, I want them to be engaging and to not cause me physical pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    What you are all doing now is asking for the game to solve your issues for you, instead of working and finding alternate solutions. Trump carding disabilities because finding solutions is too hard.

    I wouldn't be surprised if some people here are just arguing along with the mindset of "I just want the trial to be AFKable".
    Part of the thoughts crossing my mind about a lot of the complaints at this point. I spaced out on that thing for about the first 1-2 seconds and still succeeded while lazily tapping 2 keys and the space bar the first time doing it. It was just a bit confusing to have it reset back to the beginning without any kind of duty fail notice after seeing it say I succeeded. It's not like they are telling you to input the konami code 3 times in 5 seconds.

    I've run this by people I know with mental disabilities and it's simple enough for them to complete with little issue

    I've watched people with physical and motor skill disabilities complete this without issue.

    At this point to me it seems more like the people complaining about this with the excuse of someone having issues due to disability is more degrading and offensive to the people that actually have disabilities than anything else in this thread. Then again most of the people I know with disabilities were born before 1980 and get annoyed at people trying to make accommodations for them when they don't ask for it first. Especially when its not needed. So maybe its a millenial thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    I've run this by people I know with mental disabilities and it's simple enough for them to complete with little issue

    I've watched people with physical and motor skill disabilities complete this without issue.
    Firstly. How big is your group of people with disabilities that you have "tested" this mechanic on?

    Secondly. Just because these people have coped with it does not mean that people with other physical problems will.

    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    I know with disabilities were born before 1980 and get annoyed at people trying to make accommodations for them when they don't ask for it first. Especially when its not needed. So maybe its a millenial thing.
    Third. At the moment you are appealing to the age of the players who wrote here, knowing absolutely nothing about them. Well done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Part of the thoughts crossing my mind about a lot of the complaints at this point. I spaced out on that thing for about the first 1-2 seconds and still succeeded while lazily tapping 2 keys and the space bar the first time doing it. It was just a bit confusing to have it reset back to the beginning without any kind of duty fail notice after seeing it say I succeeded. It's not like they are telling you to input the konami code 3 times in 5 seconds.

    I've run this by people I know with mental disabilities and it's simple enough for them to complete with little issue

    I've watched people with physical and motor skill disabilities complete this without issue.

    At this point to me it seems more like the people complaining about this with the excuse of someone having issues due to disability is more degrading and offensive to the people that actually have disabilities than anything else in this thread. Then again most of the people I know with disabilities were born before 1980 and get annoyed at people trying to make accommodations for them when they don't ask for it first. Especially when its not needed. So maybe its a millenial thing.
    You are talking such nonsense that others can lose interest in the game due to the fact that there are people like you in it. Because I am officially a volunteer, and if people have tendon or muscle fiber injuries, they can play normally, but not press buttons at high speed for a few seconds, which simply leads to pain or numbness, and since they did not experience such difficulties 7 years, why should they give up everything for one mechanic for the stupid ones who enjoy jumping around the keyboard in the name of spam buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    What you are all doing now is asking for the game to solve your issues for you, instead of working and finding alternate solutions. Trump carding disabilities because finding solutions is too hard.

    I wouldn't be surprised if some people here are just arguing along with the mindset of "I just want the trial to be AFKable".
    Let's not discriminate against people in the game, your behavior is outrageous and disgusting, you are an aggressor inappropriate to conduct a dialogue on the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burado_T View Post
    Let's not discriminate against people in the game, your behavior is outrageous and disgusting, you are an aggressor inappropriate to conduct a dialogue on the forum.
    I didn't know telling people something they don't like was automatically discrimination, outrageous, disgusting and an aggression.

    From where I'm standing, you're all being discriminative, outrageous, disgusting and aggressors. Shall I report all of you for unilaterously trying to compel a playstyle and/or criticizing Square Enix staff for implementing this mechanic?
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