SMN Why don't we hear about egi glamours anymore?

[NokTokPok]

Completly reworking the job is what I personaly want to see.

Get rid of the dots and Fester and give it all to Scholar or a new dot focused job.
Get rid of the chicken nuggets and have us every 30/60 seconds a demi out.

We really don't need to have constantly a summon/pet out. Since they still struggle with the pet AI, just remove the pet part of job. Summons in other FFs were mostly only for a short while on the field, so it would still be a Summoner.

[ItMe]

We really don't need to have constantly a summon/pet out. Since they still struggle with the pet AI, just remove the pet part of job.

The game has carbuncle housing items and premium carbuncle glamours.
If you removed them from SMN... where would they go?
They wouldn't just axe them completely, they're too much a part of the world, plus the little things are pretty well loved amongst the player base, even if their AI isn't.

[Saix027]

The game has carbuncle housing items and premium carbuncle glamours.
If you removed them from SMN... where would they go?
They wouldn't just axe them completely, they're too much a part of the world, plus the little things are pretty well loved amongst the player base, even if their AI isn't.

Not entirely, summoner could simply work like this, each abiltiys summons an egi that does a short animation for an attack or buff/debuff. Linking them to attacks or as proc to appear, maybe a stance what you want to focus on instead.

This way they could make new Egis attached to abilitys, simliar to Bahmut and Phoenix, with those staying a while they still would stand out, needing to focus on them to keep them up, while smaller ones you tap in to summon as an attack.

Speaking of, why does SMN not have a summon as Limitbreak 3? Feels off how he not got something realted to his job, just some fancy megaflare, which not feels that unique compared to others Limits.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

The last time they mentioned Egi-Glamours was actually during one of the Live Letter Reruns in May/June (don't remember exactly), where it was said they are still coming but they "weren't at liberty to talk about it" (at least accordng to the Reddit translation)
Just thought I'd point that out, since that Information seems to have been missed by many.

Completly reworking the job is what I personaly want to see.

Get rid of the dots and Fester and give it all to Scholar or a new dot focused job.
Get rid of the chicken nuggets and have us every 30/60 seconds a demi out.

We really don't need to have constantly a summon/pet out. Since they still struggle with the pet AI, just remove the pet part of job. Summons in other FFs were mostly only for a short while on the field, so it would still be a Summoner.

For plenty of people, including myself, the "pet part" of the job is a major drawing point, and pretty much every thread on SMN is a major indicator of that. So no, they should not just remove it.
The playerbase as a collective needs to stop asking SE to take things from one part of the playerbase just to serve another one, things like compromise and happy mediums exist for a reason.
Besides, I for one would like for SE to actually FIX an issue for once rather then just gloss over or delete it.

[OvernightSiren]

The last time they mentioned Egi-Glamours was actually during one of the Live Letter Reruns in May/June (don't remember exactly), where it was said they are still coming but they "weren't at liberty to talk about it" (at least accordng to the Reddit translation)
Just thought I'd point that out, since that Information seems to have been missed by many.



For plenty of people, including myself, the "pet part" of the job is a major drawing point, and pretty much every thread on SMN is a major indicator of that. So no, they should not just remove it.
The playerbase as a collective needs to stop asking SE to take things from one part of the playerbase just to serve another one, things like compromise and happy mediums exist for a reason.
Besides, I for one would like for SE to actually FIX an issue for once rather then just gloss over or delete it.

I'm in agreement with this, but sadly I think SE is moving further and further from the job being pet based with how watered down the pets have become especially not even being target-able anymore.

[HeulGDarian]

I'm in agreement with this, but sadly I think SE is moving further and further from the job being pet based with how watered down the pets have become especially not even being target-able anymore.

basicly they are trying to make pets work , which in 5.0 i honestly dont get why they reworked the whole system. From what i heard the old system just needed garuda to not have casts on her 3 seconds ability and that would be it.
Smn is one of those jobs that, unless you make a system were you can fit another phase without breaking the whole thing, will keep getting reworked.
As for people who have problems with the theme of the job, 5.3 confirmed that arcanima (or summoning for those who REE at the mere mention of the class) is in fact the creation magic ascians used.
This means unless they make summoner be a massive plothole his theme wont change, this means ruins, dots and egi wont be removed.
The only thing theyll do is change egi gameplay till you people get happy, even though the solution is simple from my point of view just make the egis look more like their bigger counterparts, thats how shallow the complains are.
Not that it will stop people from making a fool out of themselves. Smn is quite the popular job fortunately and unfortunately.
I just wish that instead of being stupid people they instead talked how to actually fix the issues, so that they can focus on that instead of reworking twice every expansion.

[Karshan]

The last time they mentioned Egi-Glamours was actually during one of the Live Letter Reruns in May/June (don't remember exactly), where it was said they are still coming but they "weren't at liberty to talk about it" (at least accordng to the Reddit translation)
Just thought I'd point that out, since that Information seems to have been missed by many.



For plenty of people, including myself, the "pet part" of the job is a major drawing point, and pretty much every thread on SMN is a major indicator of that. So no, they should not just remove it.
The playerbase as a collective needs to stop asking SE to take things from one part of the playerbase just to serve another one, things like compromise and happy mediums exist for a reason.
Besides, I for one would like for SE to actually FIX an issue for once rather then just gloss over or delete it.

I wouldn't want pet removed from the game, but adressed to a class better designed for it and that revolves better around it. It could take the DOTs away as well.
I completely agree about not purely removing / erasing a feature like pets cause as you said it is a drawing factor AND iconic for MMOs. However due to that it parasited FF14 Summoner to the point where it was not a FF summoner (the FF part is very important to a lot of people as well) and a just a generic MMO smn.

We want a FF Summoner. Big primals, come for a limited time, spiky massive damage. It can't be done like a LB, so the current way with Demis is in my sense the way to go and a perfect compromise with MMO functionnalities. To me they should be working on a DPS class that can host all pets/dots related stuff, to "free" SMN and increase the focus on transes and Demis.

So I don't want a "less and instead" I want a "more, and different". A new class, still pets in the game, a better synergy for SMN kit (and not 4 disparate chunks) as well as the new one, and the "job fantasy" of getting closer to an FF SMN ; I see it as an all win situation, but I could miss something and I'd be glad to hear your feedback.

[HeulGDarian]

I wouldn't want pet removed from the game, but adressed to a class better designed for it and that revolves better around it. It could take the DOTs away as well.
I completely agree about not purely removing / erasing a feature like pets cause as you said it is a drawing factor AND iconic for MMOs. However due to that it parasited FF14 Summoner to the point where it was not a FF summoner (the FF part is very important to a lot of people as well) and a just a generic MMO smn.

We want a FF Summoner. Big primals, come for a limited time, spiky massive damage. The current way with demis is in my sense the way to go. So to me they should be working on a DPS class that can host all pets/dots related stuff to increase SMN transes and Demis.

So I don't want an "less and instead" I want a "more, and different"

It is more and different.You People think demis and egis are this 2 completely different unrelated things that dont work, but look at them.
The only thing different between them is one stays on the field and has 2 extra attacks.
Also you people who want an FF summoner need to go recheck the games, youve been ranting how this isnt an ff summoner in a game series where literally every iteration is supposed to be different. The job that summons something and then goes away is the worst most superficial description the FF summoner gets.
Even the remove dots doesnt make sense, Summoner in many of the games had to borrow spells from blm or whm. Now that they made a stand alone magic system for him and him alone , now its not summoner like?
We are 3 expansions in, How summoning work has been explained, you got a whole city of summoners to see how the job is supposed to be, and even the devs in their story say its omnipotent.
5.0 has shown that SE is detouched to how smn works , aetherflows removal having destroyed most of the fluidity of the job, and pheonix being binded with trance has put the nail in the coffin on it. A major reason for that is This arguing, Its been 3 exapansions in , it is safe to assume they wont change summoner thematicly. Can we pls stop spamming the forums on the mention of Summoner?

[Gallus]

There are quite a few different things between Egis and Demis. For a start, Egis don't ever start attacking until the SMN does or until you command them to do so, this makes min maxing SMN with egis fairly tedious. Against bosses that jump a lot or that move a lot the Egis spend quite a lot of time running from one place to another, that honestly sucks too. Then you have certain Egi actions that get cancelled or that ghost. How Enkindle is still an OGCD is beyond me. Devotion is useless bloat.

The Demis are a lot better. They attack each time you perform an action, their visuals are a lot cooler, they don't care about bosses moving and they don't stick to target 1 when you've just switched to target 2 (*cough Egis *cough*). Egis damage is so laughable too at this point you can't even compare it to DoWs autoattacks, it can't even be qualified as a glorified DoT because you'd need to compare it to a 20 potency DoT which I don't believe even exists?

I would most definitely sign for an only Demi rotation at level 90 in the next expansion. Egis are overstaying for me at this point.

[HeulGDarian]

There are quite a few different things between Egis and Demis. For a start, Egis don't ever start attacking until the SMN does or until you command them to do so, this makes min maxing SMN with egis fairly tedious. Against bosses that jump a lot or that move a lot the Egis spend quite a lot of time running from one place to another, that honestly sucks too. Then you have certain Egi actions that get cancelled or that ghost. How Enkindle is still an OGCD is beyond me. Devotion is useless bloat.

The Demis are a lot better. They attack each time you perform an action, their visuals are a lot cooler, they don't care about bosses moving and they don't stick to target 1 when you've just switched to target 2 (*cough Egis *cough*). Egis damage is so laughable too at this point you can't even compare it to DoWs autoattacks, it can't even be qualified as a glorified DoT because you'd need to compare it to a 20 potency DoT which I don't believe even exists?

I would most definitely sign for an only Demi rotation at level 90 in the next expansion. Egis are overstaying for me at this point.

Yes cause pheonix doesnt miss his first auto unless you do some dance around it like triple weave , and both demis dont miss their akh morn even if it visually appears if you cast it near the end. Demis dont need you to attack or tell them to attack unlike egis? idk having to attack so that they attack and having to click akh morn to use akh morn sounds like you command them to. Also how about moving being a problem since the demis prioritise that first? Also did we miss the fact enkindle is an ogcd in both demis and egis? What does demi enkindle gets the pass cause its cooler looking? And devotion is a bloat? Energy siphon is a bloat your 5% dps on all on the other hand isnt a bloat.
You can hate the egis but dont try to glorify the demis.