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  1. #28721
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    Kolsykol's Avatar
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Lich
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Annoying DRG in Lost City of Amdapor kept running in front of me and pulling constantly.
    As a Tank I have to make sure that the healer is keeping up and the healer wasn't, I pulled the three first groups just fine but after that the healer was very slow to react and if I tried to pull multiple groups the healer would be left far behind.
    The DRG just kept running which killed me because I had to try and babysit and save the DRG, even solo pulling bosses.

    This is why the Tank should pull... I am so tired of DPS minimizing this and blaming the Tank or accusing Tanks of having '' ego problems '' etc because they want to be the ones pulling...
    The reason why I want to be the one pulling is because A, I am the one who's supposed to soak the damage and B, because as opposed to these people doing this I actually pay attention to other people in the party too especially the healer.
    If I am not pulling at a certain speed there's a reason for that...
    Trying to '' go fast '' like that just ends in a slower run too, even with a slow healer it's a lot faster if you just let the Tank make sure that the healer is there so you can do a bigger and more structured pulls rather than doing these smaller pulls where the healer has to run to catch up and then I am at low health and the slow healer freaks out and keeps spamming heals and doesn't notice if I try to pull another group.

    It's a lot easier and faster if you just let me do the big pull instead of these mini stuttery pulls.
    I know what buffs are I've played DRG, MNK and BLM in these dungeons... I am just so tired of this.
    It's not the end of the world if you have to deal with dropping your buff every now and again in one dungeon, you're not going to die irl because of it so calm down.
    If the healer keeps up I pull as fast and as much as I can without dying, but if the healer isn't the best then wtf am I supposed to do? Especially when everyone proceeds to stand in poison which just puts even more pressure on the healer who's already being pressured and not able to keep up.
    And then when I say to let me pull I just get an attitude back and get told that I am the problem.
    Like use your brains for five seconds plz and pay attention on the map.

    It's just really annoying to me because I always go out of my way to be a teamplayer in games, if I am on my DRK you bet I am paying attention to who gets targeted by the boss and I'll shield you with Blackest Night etc.
    But sometimes people just manage to make me feel like I shouldn't even bother because they seem to just play it like a singleplayer game.

    Edit: I had a similar experience yesterday too, the healer was just spamming Cure 1 and I asked them to use stronger heals and the healer didn't listen or understand.
    And then ofc I was the one who took all the blame for it when we couldn't handle gigantic pulls and one of the DPS just kept running ahead and pulling multiple groups then pointing fingers at me when we died and the healer was on like the other side of the map and arrived just to keep spamming Cure 1.
    Like wtf am I supposed to do?
    I've already pulled enough to where I am just barely able to stay alive then the DPS runs ahead and pulls two extra groups then points fingers at me.
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    Last edited by Kolsykol; 08-09-2020 at 02:59 PM.

  2. #28722
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    BlitzBreaker's Avatar
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    Blitz Breaker
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    Twintania
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    The horse is dead, please stop beating it, no one cares.
    The interesting part here is that you keep arguing a point that you can never win. The Devs will never agree with you. The Devs will never fall on the side of the argument that alienates players in favour of entitled players who want every run on their terms because it META, ‘basic competence’ or ‘what the majority (?) wants’. New, Returning and Learning players will always be just as, if not more, valuable to them as anyone else. If you cannot handle that speed kills, dungeon rushing and by extension your style of play are not the Devs priority and never will be than I would ask you to stop beating that horse honey. You worked it to death and they didn't blink an eye.

    So please keep your catty comments to those other threads where the Devs can continue to efficiently ignore you. The rest of us want to hear story time from the duty finder.
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  3. #28723
    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Gunnar Mel'nik
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    Diabolos
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    Bard Lv 90
    Had a Copied Factory run just now with a fellow MCH, only they had way lower health than they should. I examined them out of curiosity, and found they were wearing mostly crafted i480 stuff. It didn't really make sense until I saw them wearing a Scaeven ring and -- I still can't believe it -- a Hyperconductive Armageddon. For those who may not know, that's a level 60 weapon. i230, specifically. Not glamoured. I mentioned it at the start and got no response from anyone. They died a lot for having crap stats and for standing in everything.

    As a secondary Oof, one of our WHM also had especially low HP, but upon examination I couldn't find anything unusual. So I suspect their gear was broken, but it was broken from the start of the duty. I don't know how people manage that. If you can believe it, they also died a bunch. In fact, if one of these two died, the other likely died to the same thing at the same time.

    Oh yeah, and in the last fight a tank in a different alliance, the MT, was spinning the boss around. Like, on purpose. They kept running through it back and forth to make it spin as fast as possible. They had the RP tag. Colour me surprised.

    I guess that's what I get for queuing at 1am.
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  4. #28724
    Player Veis_Alveare's Avatar
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    Veis Alve'are
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzBreaker View Post
    The interesting part here is that you keep arguing a point that you can never win. The Devs will never agree with you. The Devs will never fall on the side of the argument that alienates players in favour of entitled players who want every run on their terms because it META, ‘basic competence’ or ‘what the majority (?) wants’. New, Returning and Learning players will always be just as, if not more, valuable to them as anyone else. If you cannot handle that speed kills, dungeon rushing and by extension your style of play are not the Devs priority and never will be than I would ask you to stop beating that horse honey. You worked it to death and they didn't blink an eye.

    So please keep your catty comments to those other threads where the Devs can continue to efficiently ignore you. The rest of us want to hear story time from the duty finder.
    No.

    /10char

    Also devs might not care but nor do GMs. I've kicked people plenty for being bad and been told by many that they reported me. No visits to GM jail.

    Salt harder, it anuses me.
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  5. #28725
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Lich
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post

    Salt harder, it anuses me.
    This escalated quickly.
    Is this some weird annilingus fetish involving salt or something?
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  6. #28726
    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    No.

    /10char

    Also devs might not care but nor do GMs. I've kicked people plenty for being bad and been told by many that they reported me. No visits to GM jail.

    Salt harder, it anuses me.
    Go argue in a different thread. I'm sure there's plenty for you to really settle into.

    And boy, yeah, that's a rough typo.
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  7. #28727
    Player Veis_Alveare's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    This escalated quickly.
    Is this some weird annilingus fetish involving salt or something?
    LMAO hey that's what I get for replying while half asleep and trusting autocorrect would have my back.

    I'll leave it in just cause this post is awesome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Go argue in a different thread. I'm sure there's plenty for you to really settle into.

    And boy, yeah, that's a rough typo.
    Quite literally what I was saying when this guy replied to me with his whiney rant.

    And yes, yes it is. 10/10 typo.
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  8. #28728
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzBreaker View Post
    The interesting part here is that you keep arguing a point that you can never win. The Devs will never agree with you. The Devs will never fall on the side of the argument that alienates players in favour of entitled players who want every run on their terms because it META, ‘basic competence’ or ‘what the majority (?) wants’. New, Returning and Learning players will always be just as, if not more, valuable to them as anyone else. If you cannot handle that speed kills, dungeon rushing and by extension your style of play are not the Devs priority and never will be than I would ask you to stop beating that horse honey. You worked it to death and they didn't blink an eye.

    So please keep your catty comments to those other threads where the Devs can continue to efficiently ignore you. The rest of us want to hear story time from the duty finder.
    Truth is being a new player or an inexpensive player is not something someone has to accept in terms as a reason to go at their pace. Until they start to punish silent kicks then in a way SE and GM's approve of the difference of play style as a valid reason of removal. That is what it largely boils down to and sooner everyone accepts that the better in my opinion.
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  9. #28729
    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    Quite literally what I was saying when this guy replied to me with his whiney rant.
    Y'ever hear about the pot calling the kettle black? You're basically starting an off-topic argument about someone starting an off-topic argument. Maybe it's time to let it go.
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  10. #28730
    Player Veis_Alveare's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Y'ever hear about the pot calling the kettle black? You're basically starting an off-topic argument about someone starting an off-topic argument. Maybe it's time to let it go.
    I haven't hit my post limit for the day so :/

    But honestly you're doing the exact same thing, I see no room to judge.

    And so on to everyone else who comments on this.
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