The Echo and the Ascians

[Starkbeaumont]

ok. but what does elidibus mean by "if you understand the echo you are just like ascians"?

does it simply refer to the fact that they remember their past?

[Cilia]

ok. but what does elidibus mean by "if you understand the echo you are just like ascians"?

does it simply refer to the fact that they remember their past?

What he specifically says is that "we would be of one mind;" or, more colloquially, "we'd think the same thing." With what we now know he's probably suggesting we'd be anti-Hydaelyn and pro-Zodiark if we knew the truths of the world; obviously some players feel that way, but in-universe nobody seems to share their sentiment.

While Echo users do have a fragment of their Ancient soul's power (reawakened by an implicit memory), they don't actually consciously recall the Final Days.

[Starkbeaumont]

What he specifically says is that "we would be of one mind;" or, more colloquially, "we'd think the same thing." With what we now know he's probably suggesting we'd be anti-Hydaelyn and pro-Zodiark if we knew the truths of the world; obviously some players feel that way, but in-universe nobody seems to share their sentiment.

While Echo users do have a fragment of their Ancient soul's power (reawakened by an implicit memory), they don't actually consciously recall the Final Days.

i didn't recall the english text so I went with german which is more in line with what I wrote. going by the english text this makes more sense

[Veloran]

I think it's more than just a change of mind. I forget the source here, but it's thought that the Echo functions, basically, by breaking down the barriers between the soul and the universe. This explains most of it's powers, such as blurring the distinction between the past, present and future, being able to communicate across all languages, allowing the soul to persist after death, literally "breaking your limits", etc. So with this in play what Elidibus means is, if they had a true, fully realized Echo, you would literally be able to understand and commune with each other as though you were of one mind. This would explain why the Amaurotines had such a peaceful, utopian society. Of course, it also explains the depths of the Ascian's hatred for Hydaelyn - Her power is literally to split things apart, down to the level of one's soul and even reality itself. To the Ancients, something like that must have been intrinsically anathema to their existence.

[HeulGDarian]

ok. but what does elidibus mean by "if you understand the echo you are just like ascians"?

does it simply refer to the fact that they remember their past?

We dont know yet but we can theorise. Its called the echo , we can assume that it is called thus cause of the voice of hydaelyn echoing when someone obtains it. But then it begs questions if its something the amaurotians already had and they also call it the echo are they possibly refering to something else. Could it be that they refer with it a memory every single ascian remembers, it doesnt quite fit. What if there is another voice that calls but we are too weak to hear, Hydaleyn bestowes to her chosen ones the power to look into the past , but what does zodiark bestows. Maybe they refer to the memories of the real us, imagine how tormenting it must be to see people that once were friends suddenly be complete strangers, or at worst enemies.