Yoshi-P Sanpo comments re: Bard

[Jirah]

Like Machinest?

woah woah I say leave casters to actual casters, besides idk foes Requiem, MCh has a host of issues they need ironed out before more experimenting needs to be done wihout going too off topic bowcaster is dead and gone i rather they do somthing new and bards current job philosophy would struggle to comprehend it

Id like to add increase the proc of refulgent arrow, 10 seconds is laughable

[Akiudo]

woah woah I say leave casters to actual casters, besides idk foes Requiem, MCh has a host of issues they need ironed out before more experimenting needs to be done wihout going too off topic bowcaster is dead and gone i rather they do somthing new and bards current job philosophy would struggle to comprehend it

Id like to add increase the proc of refulgent arrow, 10 seconds is laughable

while i do believe this was mostly tongue in cheek you are aware that mch originally was designed with cast bars ? they ditched this during stormblood, but really that was mostly on bard. heavensward mch was disliked for a number of reasons, but i hardly remember anyone complaining about the cast bars, it actually flowed quite well, unlike bowmage which sucked. comparing bard with mch during heavensward was night and day. like if one actually played both classes you could just see how someone at square designed mch, and than last minute someone said "so mch has castbars and bard has not ? we can't have that" and than hastily slapped on menuet 5 minutes before showing off the new bard design to the higher ups. the big point here is mainly that you can't simply slap on restrictions on a class, the actuall class design has to work with these restrictions.

[Kabooa]

the actuall class design has to work with these restrictions.

TFW Red Mage is just the HW Ranged DPS refined.

[Akiudo]

TFW Red Mage is just the HW Ranged DPS refined.

as i'm not entirely sure what point your trying to make here is i will just say that redmage is nothing like bard during hw.

redmage has no randomly resetting ogcd's.
a lot less ogcd's in general
no pseudo ogcd's (empyrial) that technically was best used when you have an instant, which you have no idea when that may even be so just use it for 3 1,5 second casts in a row (normal skill->empyrial as as casted filler for the ogcd phase->next weapon skill right away, that was totally fun....

the cast->instant->cast->instant dynamic of redmage may look a bit like the 1,5 cast->2,5 second gcd bard had in that you had your cast followed by "free movement" time, however one lends itself to double weave, the other not in the slightest.
repelling shot had about as long an animation lock as redmages discplacement, just that you had to again time this with your nearly never (20% procc rate on your filler skill ftw...) "free" instant skill or try to use it during a 1 second window between cast and gcd.
redmage has enchanted reprise and swiftcast to extent movement time, or get any movement time at all in a pinch (i.e. there is at least some control on when to use these) bard had "turning of menuet" and "praying to get a instant procc at just the right moment"