Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Veis_Alveare]

Of course if they would give them a baby face then this could get more into that territory but most faces tend to be much more mature, even if they are androgynous or more feminine.

Women's faces are quite literally more childlike.

The changes that testosterone causes specifically in facial bone structure (widened jaw bone, longer nose, brow ridge) and subcutaneous fat content (which is much higher in women and children than in adult men) are what make a "masculine" face, apart from facial hair which is an obvious extra layer here.

A man with a more neotenous face also has a more feminine face because a feminine face is more neotenous by default. In short the things that make you look more youthful also make you look more feminine.

Asking for feminine men is asking for men who look young.

It will literally never happen in this mmo,thank god SE please keep taking my money.

[Skolopendrokot]

Women's faces are quite literally more childlike.

The changes that testosterone causes specifically in facial bone structure (widened jaw bone, longer nose, brow ridge) and subcutaneous fat content (which is much higher in women and children than in adult men) are what make a "masculine" face, apart from facial hair which is an obvious extra layer here.

A man with a more neotenous face also has a more feminine face because a feminine face is more neotenous by default. In short the things that make you look more youthful also make you look more feminine.

Asking for feminine men is asking for men who look young.

It will literally never happen in this mmo,thank god SE please keep taking my money.

To be honest, your post makes no sense (I'm not going to sound rude, of course). We already have more delicate male faces in the game, so you really can create a man who looks like a teenager. The problem is that due SE's strange politics even those characters have got bulky bodies. It just looks strange.

And I really do not understand all that 'young looking characters are bad' argument. Just look at AuRas - big, bulky and badass definitely adult men who mate with women who look like teenage old girls (and some of their faces are VERY childlike) who are a lot shorter than them. For some reason it's totally normal and people are okay with it, but asking about male race that look a bit more feminine than their females is something bad and is treated like a perversion? Do you even realize there really are men who look like that and are adults? Of course, most of adult men have got wide bones or brow ridges, but not everyone is like that and we vote for people who aren't and/or feel more comfortable with more feminine look. As I many times before, nobody is asking for children - it's just your interpretation. And by saying that androgynous men are child-looking (lol they're not, the can look feminine, but they obviously don't look childlike) and because of it their needs should be just brushed off aside, is very offensive. You don't have to agree and you can your own vision of how a Viera male should look like, but please do not misinterpret others and at least try to understand them. Thank you.

[Veis_Alveare]

To be honest...

I literally explained why biologically faces that are more feminine are also more youthful.

There is no way that I can see to dumb this down more. If you take that one creepy kid face for male elezen and slap it on a female character it doesn't look horribly out of place, if you take the gnarly old man miqo face and do the same it's jarring and clearly doesn't fit. How is this hard for you?

Au Ra sexual dimorphism is comparatively less odd because it's an exaggerated version of the dimorphism that we already see in humans - men are larger than women on average. The only way you wind up with men being smaller than women on average is by pulling from different racial groups for each sex or by changing age ranges so that the males are considerably younger than the females. Au Ra are also over and done with at this point so even if their dimorphism was entirely unjustifiable as Yenncat said it's not as if they're going to forcibly change existing player models.

Also yes, universally androgynous people (particularly males) are androgynous because they lack or have very comparably subtle post-puberty secondary sex characteristics. Androgynous features on women are things like smaller chests and hips, on men it's a lack of stronger facial features/hair and a lack of muscle tone/bulk; all things that begin development during puberty. To appear androgynous is to appear to not have undergone a full puberty. That's what the word neotenous means, by the way - neoteny us literally the retention of juvenile characteristics into adulthood.

I literally don't care what Viera males look like nor about whether or not they're added to the game, only that people who are trying to use this game to creep on (or RP creeping on) kids don't get any additional enjoyment out of this. We won't ever get to play any childlike characters (save for Lalafel which I'd say are significantly removed from normal human children or adolescents) and that's a good thing... now people just need to stop asking for it.

As to your desire for less conventionally attractive characters, while I don't imagine it's something that we'll be seeing I have literally zero issue with it and wouldn't be opposed at all. It seems an unlikely addition but it also isn't actually creating a problem so by all means go for it.