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  1. #12261
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    Roda's Avatar
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    Roda Tirhaalo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    I disagree, long heels are female feetwear (yes, a lot of medieval europe male royals were butterflies that's why they wore it). I don't know why people are trying to feminize male Viera, it's such an out of bounds agenda that's going on with no apparent reason.
    No medieval men wore heels because they were originally designed for horseback riding.
    And also cause it made the calves look stronk.
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  2. #12262
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skolopendrokot View Post
    You could have a point, but I doubt they would be blind enough to not see how much people wanted male Vieras. So if they just went with 'Nevermind, everyone will just play another super sexy waifu girl anyway', they just shot themselves in the foot.
    He doesn't have a point. They already gave the reason they chose female viera. It was their "last chance" to add new races and they compromised. Giving the community a beast race, and a longly requested race, viera. Female hrothgar would definitely be incredibly unpopular, for that matter. That's just a given.
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  3. #12263
    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Loud Jungle
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    No medieval men wore heels because they were originally designed for horseback riding.
    And also cause it made the calves look stronk.
    I'm referring to royals, not horseback riders.
    Male Viera are riding no horses in a jungle.
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  4. #12264
    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    Your displayed character could wear the wedding dress.

    At this point I think it's clear that for better or worse SE cares not for gender norms.
    We were talking about starting armor. Wedding dresses are there for people who identify as something else to wear it if they want; not the starting armor.
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  5. #12265
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    Shorere Shore
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    I disagree, long heels are female feetwear (yes, a lot of medieval europe male royals were butterflies that's why they wore it). I don't know why people are trying to feminize male Viera, it's such an out of bounds agenda that's going on with no apparent reason.
    I doubt SE would care that it hurts your "manly" feelings if Viera males wear high heels like their female counterparts. If they want to theyre gonna do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    We were talking about starting armor. Wedding dresses are there for people who identify as something else to wear it if they want; not the starting armor.
    A man can wear a dress and still identify as a man.
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  6. #12266
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    Saix027's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrie View Post
    I doubt SE would care that it hurts your "manly" feelings if Viera males wear high heels like their female counterparts. If they want to theyre gonna do it.


    A man can wear a dress and still identify as a man.
    Fun fact, heels used to be a male thing after all, renaissance times and such.



    It only changed, sterotypes not needed in a fantasy world anyway on top, regardless if people might see it as gay or so, those people need to learn living and accept that peopel can be different in alot of shapes.
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  7. #12267
    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saix027 View Post
    Fun fact, heels used to be a male thing after all, renaissance times and such.



    It only changed, sterotypes not needed in a fantasy world anyway on top, regardless if people might see it as gay or so, those people need to learn living and accept that peopel can be different in alot of shapes.
    And a lot of these royals acted in ways befitting their feminine attire
    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/12/1...taught-school/
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ritish-royals/
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    Last edited by Amnmaat; 08-06-2020 at 05:02 PM.

  8. #12268
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Gee, it's almost as if standards of masculinity and femininity have changed over the centuries.
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  9. #12269
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    I disagree, long heels are female feetwear (yes, a lot of medieval europe male royals were butterflies that's why they wore it). I don't know why people are trying to feminize male Viera, it's such an out of bounds agenda that's going on with no apparent reason.
    What's out of bounds (imho) is making them look like children. Anything else is free real estate. If they want to wear high heels, let them. Not the first time SE has given male characters high heels.
    If not a fan of the shoes, just swap to something else. It's head gear that's limited, not shoes :^)

    Also the high heels starting gear for Viera have a "rabbits foot" thing going for them. Doesn't exactly look feminine when you really look at them (it's like claws).
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    Last edited by Nestama; 08-06-2020 at 07:04 PM.

  10. #12270
    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Loud Jungle
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    Sargatanas
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    Standards, not nature, nature never changes.
    When designing a male race they're always designed with the heterosexual nature in mind. Just like when you're born; it's only after that that you can customize things to suit your gender identity.
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