More classical music less rock please

[phantomr23]

I think it's easy to focus on the thing you disagree with. Like, I'm not sure how to vocalize this. Think like, a pessimistic viewpoint on something that isn't that big but it can seem that way. (?)

As you just said, we've got jazz and other genres. But off the top of my head, the rock from this whole expansion comes from the main battle theme, the main theme, the mid boss music, The Twinning, and the first half of Ruby. That's off the top of my head. Versus everything else that actually isn't rock. Titania was not rock, nor Innocence, nor Hades (first half was hype thematic but second is the REAL theme), and YoRHa is all Automata. I don't have the OST list in front of me to double check, but this feels like having a biased perspective because the overall OST is so different from what OP would like.

Not to say OP is wrong for wanting it, but it really feels like Heavensward was the OST for what he was looking for but this expansion is focused more on out of this world bangers.

This guy breaks down Eden Refulgence theme, and man- there's so many layers that I think Soken is just inventing genres at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr2TBQNOeCg

Yeah, I actually don't even think the OP is completely wrong here - it's inarguable that ARR and to an extent Heavensward had a different aesthetic and it's not wrong to want more of that if it clicked more with you. That said, I think it was more due to Soken wanting to respect Uematsu's influence and then coming into his own from Stormblood onwards than the soundtrack becoming overrun with rock. Mostly I just love Soken's work so it is a bit of a shame to see the Shadowbringers soundtrack (it has so many motifs and unique layers to it) reduced to "mostly prog rock".

[Puremallace]

Yeah, I actually don't even think the OP is completely wrong here - it's inarguable that ARR and to an extent Heavensward had a different aesthetic and it's not wrong to want more of that if it clicked more with you. That said, I think it was more due to Soken wanting to respect Uematsu's influence and then coming into his own from Stormblood onwards than the soundtrack becoming overrun with rock. Mostly I just love Soken's work so it is a bit of a shame to see the Shadowbringers soundtrack (it has so many motifs and unique layers to it) reduced to "mostly prog rock".

I just prefer they mix it up. Even the Ravana theme I reference starts out classical and bumps up but some of the more epic boss music is like Shinryu 2nd phase that is more Classical influence without synth guitars and techno beat vibes.

If you told me the Innocence theme was originally on the Matrix soundtrack I could believe you lol. Things like "Tears in the rain" for Emet just sound far better to me then whatever Titanias theme is.

[phantomr23]

I just prefer they mix it up. Even the Ravana theme I reference starts out classical and bumps up but some of the more epic boss music is like Shinryu 2nd phase that is more Classical influence without synth guitars and techno beat vibes.

If you told me the Innocence theme was originally on the Matrix soundtrack I could believe you lol. Things like "Tears in the rain" for Emet just sound far better to me then whatever Titanias theme is.

Okay now I just have no idea what you're talking about. So you say you want more variety and less rock and then when it's pointed out there's not really any more rock than before you just pivot to "I want music in the specific style I like", which is undefined beyond "Ravana's theme is good". You're disparaging Insanity for sounding like a Matrix song (which is... untrue) but Ravana's themes are good because they have influence from other songs? They do mix it up - Shadowbringers has Gaelic influence, militaristic marching themes, jungle tribal influence and flamenco influence, just to brush the tip of the iceberg; and if you want to get even more specific you have Dohn Mheg's theme which is very clearly inspired by Tchaikovsky. At this point I truly don't understand what you're saying and it just seems like you're being needlessly dismissive of the current music.

[Gula]

Okay now I just have no idea what you're talking about. So you say you want more variety and less rock and then when it's pointed out there's not really any more rock than before you just pivot to "I want music in the specific style I like", which is undefined beyond "Ravana's theme is good". You're disparaging Insanity for sounding like a Matrix song (which is... untrue) but Ravana's themes are good because they have influence from other songs? They do mix it up - Shadowbringers has Gaelic influence, militaristic marching themes, jungle tribal influence and flamenco influence, just to brush the tip of the iceberg; and if you want to get even more specific you have Dohn Mheg's theme which is very clearly inspired by Tchaikovsky. At this point I truly don't understand what you're saying and it just seems like you're being needlessly dismissive of the current music.

If you played all the dungeon themes in one go for ShB, you would have only 2/10 rock themes. The rest being classical, tribal, sPoOkY, jazz and heroic. There is a bias here, and for that, that is where I feel the dismissal comes from. Because when looking at OP's posts, and what the game gives you, there is a distinct preference as to what OP wants that indeed is not in the game.

Eden is all about EDM, therefore the variety of OP's choice is not there. He's not in favor of Titania's theme which is whimsical and fancy, and most of all fitting for a playful/corrupted/demented fairy king. But it's not what OP wants. Ravana was a Primal of might and war, something the current expansion has not been about at all. War against the light, yes. Not conquest. And Heavensward was strong with that thematic.

[Puremallace]

Just saying these guys do Classical remixed better then they do EDM. They are supposed to be making the music fit the boss not the other way around. Like what is Eden Ramuhs theme? Eden Leviathan? Eden Ifrit & Garuda theme they feel the need to go prog rock again but why? It is easily forgettable and all of it just blends together.

Eden should have been called EDM.

Could you ever see John Williams doing prog rock during a Star Wars fight? Oh hey here is this Lord of the Rings soundtrack so lets throw in some EDM. All for mixing up the selection and doing different stuff but this is not an FPS shooter or dance dance revolution.

[phantomr23]

Just saying these guys do Classical remixed better then they do EDM. They are supposed to be making the music fit the boss not the other way around. Like what is Eden Ramuhs theme? Eden Leviathan? Eden Ifrit & Garuda theme they feel the need to go prog rock again but why? It is easily forgettable and all of it just blends together.

Eden's all about remixing the old Primals from the WoL's fragmented memories. EDM is an incredibly popular remix genre that is also more traditionally modern than most of the original genres, fitting the updated aesthetic of the pieces. Old Ramuh worked with his theme because it was a slow paced, tank-centric fight that was more him testing you than an actual battle - Eden Ramuh is a fast paced battle against our own idea of Ramuh, hence the remix. Traditional orchestra would not have worked for Eden (except Force Your Way, which you're conveniently ignoring) in the same way it wouldn't have worked for Alexander's steampunk aesthetic. Remember how eScape was the most notable song from Omega, because the hard rock soundtrack fit a lot better than the O12 theme for that version of Omega?

Could you ever see John Williams doing prog rock during a Star Wars fight? Oh hey here is this Lord of the Rings soundtrack so lets throw in some EDM. All for mixing up the selection and doing different stuff but this is not an FPS shooter or dance dance revolution.

This is... just bizarre? You do understand that John William's approach to Star Wars soundtrack was actually quite unique at the time? If we just said "all space music must be slow synth driven atmosphere music" then that would be incredibly limiting, so applying more traditional adventure music was something that made Star Wars stand out. You really think that just because this is an MMO it should have a certain sound - the game with giant robots, mech fights and technology from other worlds? Subversive soundtracks give media a unique aesthetic and the wide variety of styles covered by FFXIV is the main thing that elevates Soken above his contempories.

(Also, E6's theme is not prog rock, please learn what prog rock is before you act like it's overtaking the whole soundtrack).

I was sympathetic to your point at first but now it's devolved to you complaining about an issue that doesn't exist, falsely labelling songs with completely random genres and acting like the soundtrack has somehow lost variety because it has more variety than you would like. Incredible.

[Puremallace]

I named 4 fights in a row that all sound the same. The entire point of a lot of people was that they were mixing it up which they are clearly not. EDM is good in a club scene dancing while on ecstasy. It is just not my preferred genre and I would prefer they go back to their roots.

If we are going to throw out anything that makes sense then lets add some KPOP into the next Ultimate because why not.

[phantomr23]

I named 4 fights in a row that all sound the same. The entire point of a lot of people was that they were mixing it up which they are clearly not. EDM is good in a club scene dancing while on ecstasy. It is just not my preferred genre and I would prefer they go back to their roots.

If we are going to throw out anything that makes sense then lets add some KPOP into the next Ultimate because why not.

You named three fights which are all different genres - fast electronic a la Tekken, Dubstep and a mix of Eurobeat and Chiptune. You also named three fights in a currently 70 song soundtrack which has the Rak'tika Greatwood, Amh Araeng, Innocence, Dohn Mheg, Akadaemia Anyder and Amaurot. What you did is the equivalent of me saying Heavensward didn't have enough variety because Alexander proves it was all rock.