Lack of updates on Viera and Hrothgar.

[Cled-cat]

I’m so tired of the limited options too. I don’t see us getting our wishes anytime soon though sadly, I see this going to join Egi-Glamours in the land of forgotten promises. Strange that the director isn’t really directing much of the teams resources onto something like the Viera/Hrothgar options, which has caused no shortage of criticism, but instead onto stupid gpose stickers that no one asked for instead? Very questionable, Yoshi-P.

[StriderShinryu]

I’m so tired of the limited options too. I don’t see us getting our wishes anytime soon though sadly, I see this going to join Egi-Glamours in the land of forgotten promises. Strange that the director isn’t really directing much of the teams resources onto something like the Viera/Hrothgar options, which has caused no shortage of criticism, but instead onto stupid gpose stickers that no one asked for instead? Very questionable, Yoshi-P.

I mean, you can be disappointed in the lack of cosmetic options for Hrothgar and Viera (I would be too if I played either of those races) but that's a bit of a stretch. I highly doubt that the resources spent on the gpose stickers would equal the work require to expand cosmetic options for two playable character races. Also, how do you know that the gpose stickers weren't asked for? While I'll never use them myself it's a fact that stickers like that are extremely popular and common in social media, purikura, photo apps, etc. in East Asia.

[Melichoir]

I’m so tired of the limited options too. I don’t see us getting our wishes anytime soon though sadly, I see this going to join Egi-Glamours in the land of forgotten promises. Strange that the director isn’t really directing much of the teams resources onto something like the Viera/Hrothgar options, which has caused no shortage of criticism, but instead onto stupid gpose stickers that no one asked for instead? Very questionable, Yoshi-P.

You have to keep in mind, in the dev cycle, some things are literally a job that maybe takes a few days to implement cause theyre ultra simplistic. Other things, like hairstyles or other customizations, take longer to implement. A year should be more than enough time to fix a lot of these issues but we havent seen anything. This is why I was suggesting that something is going on. Again, the devs worked overtime behind yoshiPs back to give us some headgears. Theyre not slouching. There are only a small handful of reasons why we havent seen to much regarding Hrothgar/Viera, and to me the most logical is that there is a larger update in the works and it wouldnt make sense to give us these snippets and pieces if its gonna get all overhauled. It's wasted dev time in that regards.

This is where my head and heart sits: Imma wait til 6.0 before outright condemning anything at this point. If 6.0 rolls out and nothing substantial is done about Hrothgar/Viera, and things are more or less unchanged, then Im gonna raise a bit of a stink and ask what the hell they spent their time on. Ill be disappointed then.

[Amnmaat]

So now we're pushing the goalpost of adding new hairstyles to Viera and Hrothgar until 6.0? When it wast stated that they were going to get them in future patches? 6.0 isn't a patch, it's a brand new expansion.
I know white knighting is strong but that's just wrong.

[reivaxe]

I’m so tired of the limited options too. I don’t see us getting our wishes anytime soon though sadly, I see this going to join Egi-Glamours in the land of forgotten promises. Strange that the director isn’t really directing much of the teams resources onto something like the Viera/Hrothgar options, which has caused no shortage of criticism, but instead onto stupid gpose stickers that no one asked for instead? Very questionable, Yoshi-P.

They legit said in the Live Letter that the UI team did the gpose stuff. You think the UI team is out here making battle content and modeling and rigging things and designing hair?

The people making stuff that would include hair and gear and new races are the people who work on the dngs and gear glam and new hair for everyone and such as it involves concept art and modeling and rigging and animation. So no point in getting huffy over Stickers and such.

[MariaArvana]

So now we're pushing the goalpost of adding new hairstyles to Viera and Hrothgar until 6.0? When it wast stated that they were going to get them in future patches? 6.0 isn't a patch, it's a brand new expansion.
I know white knighting is strong but that's just wrong.

By technical definition, 6.0 is a patch, since patches are just versions of the game, and a new expansion is a new version. Just a much huger version than the interim patches.

They even call the expansions patches in their lodestone news: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...6712a499e97484

<Patch 5.0 notes complete>

So technically, they aren't lying by saying a future patch. Also notice the very broad stroke of terminology they use precisely for that reason, since they're not being untruthful, even if its longer than you may want. Because we all know if they said "patch 5.3!" but then delays happened and they had to be moved back, the community would hold it against them like they have with a myriad of other topics the devs gave more concrete answers to but then the dev situation changed and no longer were feasible. Hence the broad terminology like they employ on anything that's not 90% done already.

Considering they have to adhere to deadlines and time limits and their 3D modelers are busy with the metric tons of models they need to create each patch on their tight 3.5-4 month patch cycles (with 5.2 -> 5.3 being the odd one out due to Covid forcing them to spend 1.5 months getting new development systems organized which i can only imagine how much of a nightmare was for a company of their size), 6.0 is in all likeliness, the most realistic time they'll finish Viera & Hrothgar. Could they surprise us earlier? Sure. But having worked in a game company for a bit and seen the dev process, 6.0 is being realistic, and complaining isn't magically going to make something as large as Viera & hrothgar completion any faster.

Set your expectations on 6.0 take all that energy complaining and put it to something more positive in your life, and if they release Viera & hrothgar stuff earlier, enjoy the pleasant surprise.

[TW-Luna]

I miss my Gyr Albania plat and Artifact hats. ; ;

I finally switched back. If Viera actually get access to bought hairstyles or more than just A hairstyle added in the future, and actually fitted with new hats going forward; I'll switch back to Viera. Until then, I'm wearing the plaits and whatever helm I want once again.

[Melichoir]

So now we're pushing the goalpost of adding new hairstyles to Viera and Hrothgar until 6.0? When it wast stated that they were going to get them in future patches? 6.0 isn't a patch, it's a brand new expansion.
I know white knighting is strong but that's just wrong.

We're not moving the goal posts nor are we white knighting. While my thoughts have evolved over time and become more optimistic due to factors Ive laid out, the concept that if we do get big updates regarding Viera and Hrothgar, 6.0 would make sense has been around for a looooong time. Follow the >> below and look at the timestamp. That was pulled from 10-2019, and its not the earliest post I made in regards to this stuff.

Thats been my impression - that for 6.0 theyll introduce the missing genders. No need for creating new races - per say. Just introduce missing genders and go from there. The lore is pretty easy to address as it were to be frank.

Im pretty sure I suggested 5.3 at the earliest in a post earlier than the one I am quoting, but that would be extremely optimistic. The reality is that since we havent seen any substantial updates from the devs, along with other factors, it seems like theyre up to something big. This is why they may have not released anything, as it wouldnt make sense to put out work that will just get altered by the time they do drop something big.

What I am suspecting is creating the off sexes and possibly giving us an updated character creation engine. If this is what theyre up to, then it would make sense why we dont see updates right now. It would be redundant. And this isnt anything new. This was being talked about through out the thread. I had mentioned it as early as page 300-something, which is a year + ago. The suggestion of creating the off sexes to reintro hype to the game when things slow down mid to late xpac would be a good marketing move.

If nothing comes of anything by 6.0, then yeah Im gonna be a bit frustrated and wonder wtf the devs were doing with the freed up time.

So no, we're being pretty consistent here.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I've been saying 6.0 all along, and I still don't expect any major updates until then. Certainly not something as major as new playable character models, which would be a big selling point for an expansion. I'm more than willing to be surprised sooner, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Amnmaat]

Where's that hyur gif when I need it.