I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[Doozer]

Nope. Every time there's a new level cap, everyone wants to keep playing this game and lowering the standards, and I don't subscribe to that magazine. By the time you've leveled a tank all the way to 80, there is no excuse for "learning." You're not "learning." You've had 80 levels of "learning." Learning is over, now it's time to play the game.

If you're not learning something new every once in a while, even if it's just totally trivial and small, then you're just doing it to yourself. I learned something new the other day when playing SAM despite being level 80 for a while. That doesn't mean I'm bad, it just means I'm better now than I was before I learned it.

And people can keep saying "oh if you don't know stack markers by level 80, blah blah blah" but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm not saying it's fine for people to not know to get out of AoEs at level 80, so we can stop with the strawman. Maybe someone else said that, but I didn't.

No matter what you're doing in life, whether it's a skill, a hobby, a video game, etc., you can always learn something new. Thinking you have nothing left to learn is foolish and immature.

[Katie_Kitty]

If you're not learning something new every once in a while, even if it's just totally trivial and small, then you're just doing it to yourself. I learned something new the other day when playing SAM despite being level 80 for a while. That doesn't mean I'm bad, it just means I'm better now than I was before I learned it.

And people can keep saying "oh if you don't know stack markers by level 80, blah blah blah" but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm not saying it's fine for people to not know to get out of AoEs at level 80, so we can stop with the strawman. Maybe someone else said that, but I didn't.

No matter what you're doing in life, whether it's a skill, a hobby, a video game, etc., you can always learn something new. Thinking you have nothing left to learn is foolish and immature.

Putting aside the fact that there's no reason for me to believe you have much skill with Samurai beyond "I was at lvl80 for a while," mastery tricks for a DPS is quite another beast compared to the simple act of performing your role in a MSQ dungeon as a tank. Trying to pretend that "I learned something new about Samurai" is somehow the same thing as "I'm capable enough of a tank to do double pulls and use cooldowns" is hilariously ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst. At level 80, there is no excuse for a tank to struggle with their basic responsibility in simple dungeons.