Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Dot21g]

So, uh... this one experience has been a while already, but I found it so bizarre that I thought it'd be a waste not to share.

So anyway. I was leveling my PLD to 80 in Mt. Gulg, had a SCH as healer. They were struggling with bigger pulls from the beginning, also because both of the DPS just kept standing in goo, so I was taking it slowly. During the first boss, one DPS went down, the other was close to dead too, and the healer was having a hard time keeping everyone alive (including themself), so I used Clemency a couple times on them and myself to give them a breather and prevent a wipe. Then the healer goes "what are you doing, stop healing". We killed the boss somehow, and suddenly the SCH starts attacking me for "stealing their job" or some such.

I was genuinely baffled and confused because I could not fathom how people could attack another player for making full use of their skillset and trying to help, so I said "Well, it looked like you were struggling. I didn't mean to undermine your authority as healer. Sorry to offend." And they went like "ok, have it your way". Which meant... that they stopped healing me altogether. Like, through the entire dungeon.

I was really close to leaving and just eating the penalty, but then again, I didn't want to punish the DPS for the healer's fragile little ego (that, and because I can be a stubborn mule), so I continued with smaller pulls and some help from Eos (I think), clemencying my way through the dungeon, while the healer just used Broil, if they weren't just standing around twiddling their thumbs.

It was... an interesting experience. At the end of the run, I apologized to the DPS for the slow and bumpy ride and thanked them, then told the healer that they were a real piece of work and had some growing up to do before leaving. Also blacklisted them, because I don't need people with nasty attitudes and fragile egos souring my otherwise great experience with the game.

[Bellsong]

I'm gonna be honest, I get really triggered on SCH if I use excogitation and see someone using clemency RIGHT before it can pop over and over again. And also if I see them use it above 80% HP, or whenever they use it while I'm still alive and not OOM.

It's a waste of a GCD almost every single time, even for me sometimes if I'm already in the process of casting a heal, and it feels even worse when it's a cooldown I'm wasting.

Of course I'd never get triggered enough to call out a paladin on it or refuse to heal him, but it's still pretty obnoxious. The only HP that matters is your last one.

[Dot21g]

I'm gonna be honest, I get really triggered on SCH if I use excogitation and see someone using clemency RIGHT before it can pop over and over again. And also if I see them use it above 80% HP, or whenever they use it while I'm still alive and not OOM.

It's a waste of a GCD almost every single time, even for me sometimes if I'm already in the process of casting a heal, and it feels even worse when it's a cooldown I'm wasting.

Of course I'd never get triggered enough to call out a paladin on it or refuse to heal him, but it's still pretty obnoxious. The only HP that matters is your last one.

See, I usually try to be considerate of that sort of thing when I see it since I'm a healer main myself and know this kind of frustration pretty well (not playing SCH much though, to be honest, because I just don't like the feel of the class since ShB, but still).

However, when playing a tank, when I see that a healer is clearly strugging - partly because they aren't using their oGCDs, or not enough (because that one wasn't, I suspect they wouldn't have had such a hard time keeping everyone alive otherwise) - and it really, really smells like a wipe, then my self-preservation instinct kicks in. Of course, there are different playstyles and attitues which lead to different experiences. There are healers who are fine letting the tank's HP dip below 20%, there are healers who fret over every major HP dip like a mother hen. Likewise, there are tanks who can deal better with one or the other.

It really depends on the type of content for me as well. When I tank in Ex trials or Savage content with my Static, I know exactly that I can rely on my healer buddies to do their job, so I don't panic as easily, and even then, it can happen that they're too busy with a mechanic, their own or someone else's HP or whatever to heal my sorry ass right now and I need to be ready for that juicy tank buster that's coming in. People make mistakes, even people who are really good at the game, and they can be overchallenged at times.

The thing is, running dungeons with random people in DF I have no way of communicating with them on whether they're really as overwhelmed as they look like. The same situation can be interpreteted by different people in different ways. Sure, maybe the SCH thought they had everything under control, and maybe they did, but it sure didn't look like that to me. I'd rather use my skillset to the best of my ability and ensure I actually do survive (maybe wasting a healer's GCD/oGCD in the process, sorry for the frustration if I do) than take my chances and risk a wipe because the healer didn't have things as much under control as they thought.

Bottom line is: I trust people I know and can communicate with better. Pugs in DF... not so much. No offense to all the great people I've played in DF with over the years, though.

[Bellsong]

I can respect that, I guess I just wish all tanks kinda understood things from a healers perspective like that, so maybe they would realize I'm not struggling, I just want my excog to pop on a trash pull before I go spending more resources ;w;

Sorry for your trouble with that healer though, no matter how frustrating clemency can be, it's no reason to just not do your job lol

[Skivvy]

So, uh... this one experience has been a while already, but I found it so bizarre that I thought it'd be a waste not to share.

So anyway. I was leveling my PLD to 80 in Mt. Gulg, had a SCH as healer. They were struggling with bigger pulls from the beginning, also because both of the DPS just kept standing in goo, so I was taking it slowly. During the first boss, one DPS went down, the other was close to dead too, and the healer was having a hard time keeping everyone alive (including themself), so I used Clemency a couple times on them and myself to give them a breather and prevent a wipe. Then the healer goes "what are you doing, stop healing". We killed the boss somehow, and suddenly the SCH starts attacking me for "stealing their job" or some such.

I was genuinely baffled and confused because I could not fathom how people could attack another player for making full use of their skillset and trying to help, so I said "Well, it looked like you were struggling. I didn't mean to undermine your authority as healer. Sorry to offend." And they went like "ok, have it your way". Which meant... that they stopped healing me altogether. Like, through the entire dungeon.

I was really close to leaving and just eating the penalty, but then again, I didn't want to punish the DPS for the healer's fragile little ego (that, and because I can be a stubborn mule), so I continued with smaller pulls and some help from Eos (I think), clemencying my way through the dungeon, while the healer just used Broil, if they weren't just standing around twiddling their thumbs.

It was... an interesting experience. At the end of the run, I apologized to the DPS for the slow and bumpy ride and thanked them, then told the healer that they were a real piece of work and had some growing up to do before leaving. Also blacklisted them, because I don't need people with nasty attitudes and fragile egos souring my otherwise great experience with the game.

I'm not one to normally initiate a vote kick, but I think I would have felt 100% OK about it in that situation. :X When things are under control, a tank curing themselves does make me scratch my head a bit, but if people are dying and a pull looks like it's going to end with half the party on the floor, nothing wrong with helping out a bit.

If they had simply left it at the snark, while totally uncalled for, I think I would have been OK to continue. Game egos can be a mysterious thing. But then for them to turn spiteful and stop healing you all together? Yeahh, that's not great.

[Goji1639]

I'm gonna be honest, I get really triggered on SCH if I use excogitation and see someone using clemency RIGHT before it can pop over and over again. And also if I see them use it above 80% HP, or whenever they use it while I'm still alive and not OOM.

It's a waste of a GCD almost every single time, even for me sometimes if I'm already in the process of casting a heal, and it feels even worse when it's a cooldown I'm wasting.

Of course I'd never get triggered enough to call out a paladin on it or refuse to heal him, but it's still pretty obnoxious. The only HP that matters is your last one.

The problem is that a good healer and a bad healer tend to look the same in certain context. If you're sitting at 10% for several seconds just waiting for that heal it may be because the healer is awesome, or it may be because he's complete garbage. There's no way to know until you're dead.

There have been plenty of instance on my Paladin where the Healer was playing chicken with my health a bit too much where I said screw it, and just started healing myself. I'm sure in some of those cases it was completely unnecessary, and in others it likely prevented a wipe. It's just a weird position to be in.

[KalinOrthos]

The problem is that a good healer and a bad healer tend to look the same in certain context. If you're sitting at 10% for several seconds just waiting for that heal it may be because the healer is awesome, or it may be because he's complete garbage. There's no way to know until you're dead.

There have been plenty of instance on my Paladin where the Healer was playing chicken with my health a bit too much where I said screw it, and just started healing myself. I'm sure in some of those cases it was completely unnecessary, and in others it likely prevented a wipe. It's just a weird position to be in.

Chances are, if the person couldn't keep up and the tank died due to lack of heals, they would have blamed the party for taking too much damage. The self-important types seem to see themselves as immaculate, regardless of evidence to the contrary.

[Vahlnir]

Chances are, if the person couldn't keep up and the tank died due to lack of heals, they would have blamed the party for taking too much damage. The self-important types seem to see themselves as immaculate, regardless of evidence to the contrary.

Yeah. I had something similar happen last night in Sirensong. Was doing some pretty large pulls up until after the 2nd boss, where I knew that particular room could be painful, and I knew that the healer was new. Did a big pull at the end though (2 dogs and the ghost thing). I was sitting around 15% and sort of expected a heal to come my way in time. Just as I was about to hit Superbolide though I dropped like a rock. Thankfully the healer was quick to get me back on my feet at least, and even though the 2 dps had died immediately after, we were able to hold our own as the 2 dps ran back. I don't really know who was exactly at fault in that instance, probably a combination of the both of us not being in sync. Things happen. I took it in stride, as did the healer and dps.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Coming back from two months away, thought I'd jump into alliance roulette. It's always Crystal Tower, should let me ease back into the game, right?

Nope! Copied Factory.

Went nice and smooth, surprisingly.

Well, maybe raid roulette. I get early Alexander nine times out of ten....

Nope! Eden Titan with two first-timer tanks. That one was messy.

[Callinon]

So, uh... this one experience has been a while already, but I found it so bizarre that I thought it'd be a waste not to share.

So anyway. I was leveling my PLD to 80 in Mt. Gulg, had a SCH as healer. They were struggling with bigger pulls from the beginning, also because both of the DPS just kept standing in goo, so I was taking it slowly. During the first boss, one DPS went down, the other was close to dead too, and the healer was having a hard time keeping everyone alive (including themself), so I used Clemency a couple times on them and myself to give them a breather and prevent a wipe. Then the healer goes "what are you doing, stop healing". We killed the boss somehow, and suddenly the SCH starts attacking me for "stealing their job" or some such.

I was genuinely baffled and confused because I could not fathom how people could attack another player for making full use of their skillset and trying to help, so I said "Well, it looked like you were struggling. I didn't mean to undermine your authority as healer. Sorry to offend." And they went like "ok, have it your way". Which meant... that they stopped healing me altogether. Like, through the entire dungeon.

I was really close to leaving and just eating the penalty, but then again, I didn't want to punish the DPS for the healer's fragile little ego (that, and because I can be a stubborn mule), so I continued with smaller pulls and some help from Eos (I think), clemencying my way through the dungeon, while the healer just used Broil, if they weren't just standing around twiddling their thumbs.

It was... an interesting experience. At the end of the run, I apologized to the DPS for the slow and bumpy ride and thanked them, then told the healer that they were a real piece of work and had some growing up to do before leaving. Also blacklisted them, because I don't need people with nasty attitudes and fragile egos souring my otherwise great experience with the game.

The fun part there is that if you'd died without using clemency, it'd be your fault. You had a tool you could've used to not die and didn't use it.

Healer egos can be touchy. And I'm speaking as someone who's main'd a healer in several games and at all levels of content. In the end though, the important measure of success is: did we win?

As for this SCH's behavior, as soon as I realized they didn't intend to heal THE TANK? Vote kick for sure.