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  1. #21
    Player
    Tint's Avatar
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Raltar View Post
    It isn't that they are rushing you, you are holding them back by being slow. I mean, you can always ask at the start. If the other players want fast, you pull fast or leave the group and let them find a tank that values their time. You can always run with like minded individuals by putting up a party finder or finding a FC or Fellowship or something.
    But he said he was already doing big pulls, so he was not holding that healer back.

    The thing is it is impossible for any tank to be faster than the healer, when the healer is already running behind the tank while the fight is still going on. Except the tank screws everyones dps up and eats more damage than necessary by pulling the packs until he literally hits the next wall, even when there are no more enemies to pull.
    Plus the healer likely was using sprint immediately, while as a tank I don't use it until I actually pull the next pack, so I can sprint with the full duration to the next pack without getting hit by auto-attacks.
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  2. #22
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    Gallus's Avatar
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    Vermilion Rose
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    Phantom
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I don't rush either but I also rarely do dungeons without my partner anyway so he's always the healer. Tough turtles for any DPS that are looking to rush through for their daily rewards so they can go rush through something else or something. I'll go however fast I want, whether it's one group at a time, two, three, etc. and if anyone runs ahead because they don't like my pace, they can die, because I won't save them and my partner won't heal them.

    If people want speedruns, they can use the PF. People can say I'm "being mean :c" by slowing everyone down, but it's funny that people only worry about inconveniencing the people who want to go fast, and not that rushing is annoying or boring for people who'd rather go at a different pace. This game (and every other game, for that matter) is full of people with different playstyles. You get what you get in DF, and the tank ultimately carries more weight in that scenario. If you want to go faster, be a tank.

    And no, I'm not accepting counterarguments. I'm agreeing with OP about not wanting to rush, so don't waste your time trying to pressure me into changing my stance.
    Sounds like you would have more fun playing alone with trusts.
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  3. #23
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    odintius's Avatar
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    Odintius Baelsar
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Im kinda over dungeons they are pretty much delegated as story related content. I just like them to invest more into their joke of open world content expand on it some more /shrugs
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  4. #24
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    Ether Rose
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    Diabolos
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    Monk Lv 100
    TBH this is a double-edged sword topic. On one hand you can play how you want but on the other hand this is a MMO, you play with other people so by enforcing your solo playstyle onto a group of other people is selfish. Personally i think your own personal playstyle should be set aside for actual group content unless your group is content with how you play or you have a static. For instance, you don't expect to go into a raid and take things "Slow" with 23-7 other people, etc.

    Now as "Some" people say - "IT's DF you get what you get" - well, every DF that i have gotten into has always been people who pull everything/rush. You get this mainly because it's endgame content. Everyone is geared and knows how to play decently. You would only run into people who would take things slow is if they are new or lower end content like leveling roulette in the crappy dungeons. Most dungeons now are straight forward and easy hence why the norm is pull everything because it's so damn straight forward.

    And looking at OP's profile - you don't seem well versed in tanking at all. Yes, you have a level 80 GNB that you most likely leveled in The palace of the Dead till 70 from 60 and the rest is history. You do have 2 DPS at 80 but everything else is non-existent really. So i'm going to go ahead and say why you probably don't like people running ahead and rushing you when you tank - You don't know how to tank efficiently. You have 2 other tanks that are Lv. 52 and below. You took a new tank that started at 60 and was easy to level through certain methods without actually having to tank much. You have people who have played a tank for a long time and know how things are done which are the ones who pull/rush. Then there's you. Who barely played tanks much and claims they don't like to be rushed but in reality you don't know how to tank properly because you never really tanked like how others have for years.

    Now, i apologize if i'm sounding harsh and i'll swallow my tongue if i'm wrong on your account if it's an alt account. Lastly i do understand everyone has different playstyle's but you forget this is an MMO where you play with other people. Get on the same page as the others and suck it up for the run or leave.
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  5. #25
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    Miminming's Avatar
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    Arclest Aura
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    Belias
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    open up a PF, if you choose using DF try to match the majority opinion or leave.
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  6. #26
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    And that's perfectly fine, just don't expect other players in a group based game to agree with you.

    Trusts / Squadrons exist for exactly this reason.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 08-01-2020 at 01:18 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  7. #27
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Just tell them you are new and its your first time doing the dungeon outside of trusts. Then you can go as slow as you want.
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  8. #28
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    Awashio Sazanami
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    Balmung
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    ... and not that rushing is annoying or boring for people who'd rather go at a different pace.
    I'm honestly VERY curious to how it is "boring" to have to use more of your kit? Tanks have to cd and dodge more (i think the dodging of aoes is fun), healer have to... use more of their cooldowns too. Dps actually get to use a full, nice, aoe rotation (Brd takes forever to get started on good dps with dot spread which is easier to do when you run to the next pack with one).

    There are only some pulls where i need to use more than regen+benison(+tetramaybe) as whm on BIG pulls. First in Akademia when the dungeon starts and second for the Bismarck dungeon for the big pulls after first boss and before last boss.


    I'm NOT arguing on good or bad here, I personally fall asleep if i have nothing to do except spamming holy. And i LOVE spamming holy. I'm a holy addict. But not even having to do a regen or benison because nothing does damage is boring to me.
    Again, just curious how doing less is more fun here.
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  9. #29
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    Odintius Baelsar
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheremia View Post
    I'm honestly VERY curious to how it is "boring" to have to use more of your kit?
    That the difference maybe what you consider boring maybe is someone else's enjoyment? /shrugs who knows, I don't base everything around what I conceive as boring onto others. Maybe they have time to chat get to know people I personally just go with the flow of whatever group I get slow or fast myself meh to each their own it just a easy dungeon nothing savage about it at the end of the day for me.
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  10. #30
    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Father Gascoigne
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    My take on this has always been majority rules. If anyone wants to go faster they need to speak up POLITELY and get a group consensus. Once a consensus is reached everyone should at least attempt to abide it.

    That said, if no one speaks up then the tank is the puller, so the tank is going to decide how fast everyone moves forward. The tank won't be following any imaginary rules or "defaults" that exist in your little head; he's going to pull based on what he's comfortable with or what he feels like.
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