"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Lucy_Pyre]

might not be comfortable of playing through the dungeons doing massive pulls, which is just fine.

No it's not lol. If you're at 70/80 and you aren't pulling as much as you possibly can you are objectively playing wrong.

[LaughingBanana]

No it's not lol. If you're at 70/80 and you aren't pulling as much as you possibly can you are objectively playing wrong.

The key word here "as much as you possibly can". I am not advocating in 70 or 80 people only pull 3 or 4, yes, they should try to pull more, but if people are handling 6 or 9 I personally think it's just fine and I don't need to chide them or go selfishly pull another to make it 16 or whatever, because who knows? They might be anxious, they might be just trying to find the pace they're comfortable with, they might be learning how to play high-end content, etc etc.

Like I said, just be considerate. Instead of Lol-ing Lol-ing Lol-ing or immediately thinking the three other players besides you are idiots and you by yourself trying to "rectify" it by acting selfishly.

[Penthea]

In casual content, no lol. Literally the only current casual content where a wipe can be caused by a *single* mistake is if you do the big pull before the final boss on Anyder (which you should always do) and you have a WHM that, somehow, fails to Bene the tank before their invuln cooldown wears off. I don't know how you could actually fail to do that since you have a minimum of 8 seconds to do so, but I guess some people really are that slow if the amount of Cure 1 spamming WHMs at level 70/80 I've seen lately are anything to judge by.

I have genuinely found some trash packs with unskilled tanks far harder to heal than savage. Savage's incoming damage is most of the time super predictable so as long as you know the fight you know what you will have to do well in advance of it. Pugs chain pulling packs in dungeons? It's lottery. The damage can wildly vary depending on the tank's skill and pulling habits, and if the dps happen to be quite slow at taking the mobs down in addition to having a bad tank it can be an awful experience.

But I get the feeling you're going to "no lol" on this as well to justify your idea that tank/healer anxiety is a myth and dps/healers pulling mobs means the tank somehow messed up.

Maybe you just have far better luck in DF than I do.

[LaughingBanana]

I have genuinely found some trash packs with unskilled tanks far harder to heal than savage. Savage's incoming damage is most of the time super predictable so as long as you know the fight you know what you will have to do well in advance of it. Pugs chain pulling packs in dungeons? It's lottery. The damage can wildly vary depending on the tank's skill and pulling habits, and if the dps happen to be quite slow at taking the mobs down in addition to having a bad tank it can be an awful experience.

But I get the feeling you're going to "no lol" on this as well to justify your idea that tank/healer anxiety is a myth and dps/healers pulling mobs means the tank somehow messed up.

Maybe you just have far better luck in DF than I do.

Considering what I read in their posts, I think you got it backwards, since it seems like they are often put in a situation when they consider the other three to be performing beneath them or not up to their standards.

[Lucy_Pyre]

The key word here "as much as you possibly can". I am not advocating in 70 or 80 people only pull 3 or 4, yes, they should try to pull more, but if people are handling 6 or 9 I personally think it's just fine and I don't need to chide them or go selfishly pull another to make it 16 or whatever, because who knows? They might be anxious, they might be just trying to find the pace they're comfortable with, they might be learning how to play high-end content, etc etc.

Like I said, just be considerate. Instead of Lol-ing Lol-ing Lol-ing or immediately thinking the three other players besides you are idiots and you by yourself trying to "rectify" it by acting selfishly.

Dungeons aren't 'high end content' my man.

[Penthea]

Dungeons aren't 'high end content' my man.

They didn't say that, they said the person could be learning how to do it and a dungeon is certainly one of the places a player can learn to perform better.

[Lucy_Pyre]

They didn't say that

Wrong.

they might be learning how to play high-end content

/10char

[LaughingBanana]

Wrong.



/10char

Okay...?

Like it's not even important to the point I wanted / tried to make that players should try to be considerate to others.......... but like okay? You win? Horray for you?

A side note: I just learned that there's actually a post limit here based on the level of your character? Hahah. I love my Hyur character but recently I am enamored with my Au Ra alt so I tried to use it as my main in this forum but apparently if I use my Au Ra I can't reply anymore, so that's why I switch it again to my Hyur. Sorry if it's confusing for anyone seeing my character's face changing back and forth!

[Penthea]

Wrong.

So you think if someone is learning something at a location then that must be the only location they intend to use what they learned?

Does this mean that if I study programming in university that I intend to only ever do programming in a university? That I would not and cannot bring that knowledge elsewhere?

You have some funny ideas about A LOT of things.

[Vyrerus]

You play objectively wrong if you, as the tank, don't make the entire final Anyder pull. Despite me just saying that the group sets the pace and tanks aren't special.

So which is it? You're engaging in some double-think here, Lucy.