The state of Hrothgar and Viera

[Penthea]

...but Hrothgar and Viera can't wear simple things like hats. Y'all can weirdly contort the shape of helmets to fit Miq'otes ears but can't make an opening to let Viera's ears roam freely or just let Hrothgar wear the helmets/hats.

The miqo ear situation is not really comparible to viera when talking about hats. The smallest viera ears are far larger than a miqo's, and miqos ears are completely standardised into one shape and size while viera's are not.

Different viera ear styles have slightly different placement and can point in different directions which would mean that altering some of the hats and helms for them would require SE to make several versions of the same helm/hat just for one race. That's a lot of work. Sure they could take the lazy route and just use one set of holes for every ear style and have all armoured ears identical, but then players would complain about clipping and/or how their ear style changes with certain gear. They could hide the ears with some hats like they do with miqos but then that would be venturing into unrealistic territory. Most hats do not look like they could fit viera ears inside them. Never mind how it would hide the most defining feature of the race. Even when miqos' ears are hidden you can still see their tail. Viera don't have another physical attribute that makes them very clearly a different race.

The hat situation sucks but I understand that it's not a quick or easy fix. However the hairstyle situation is absurd. Most of the hairstyles would work perfectly fine for viera.

As for hrothgar, a lot of hairstyles would clip badly due to their hunched posture...but this does not explain why hairstyles are locked to faces. I remember when I raised this concern when the benchmark for ShB was released many players told me not to worry because there is no way such a silly restriction would be in the live game. Well my concerns were unfortunately valid because the character creation from the benchmark is identical to the game itself. That most thought it would never happen in the final version of the race just shows how utterly ridiculous that decision was.

However the dilemma for hats and hrothgar makes far less sense than it does for viera. Yes their head is a different shape but aside from their face it's a pretty standard shape. Their ears are tiny so the viera issue simply doesn't exist for them. Sure anything that covers the face would be a problem due to their snouts, but anything that is only on the head for the most part wouldn't be complicated or lengthy to adjust.

In short: I am puzzled as to why hrothgar don't have a far larger choice of hats, why hair is locked to their faces, and why viera do not have access to hairstyles that would clearly work fine with very little adjustment needed.

At least give us a warning on hairstyles that "This hairstyle is unavailable for Hrothgar and Viera" before we waste our money. I see several posts of people who have bought the Shadowbringers Y'shtola hairstyle with the expectation they could put it on their Viera.

It's bloody stupid that there are no warnings about this while gender and race locked gear is clearly marked as gender or race locked.

[MikkoAkure]

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I really liked this post, but I wanted to mention another thing. When they decided viera not getting hats, they went a bit wild with the hair. The styles have a wider range of sizes and widths than hair on other races. This is more obvious when wearing some of the few items viera are allowed to wear. To accommodate the different hairstyles, some of the pins and things are either floating an inch above their head or clipping through the hair because there has to be 1 position for these.

None of these have secondary versions for when a hat is being worn, either. For all older races, some hats are coded to delete part of the hair depending on the style. They would need to go back an additional version for each hairstyle to accommodate the hats. Some will look really weird like the ponytail that has more than a lalafell’s weight of hair that would just completely disappear. Or the one that has Fran’s helmet as part of the hairstyle.

There was a pretty dumb development decision made that neither of the new races would be able to wear hats or helmets and that the player base would be OK with it. I don’t see them walking this back and redoing things to make them work and have played this game for too long to expect them to suddenly change this. It’s just a situation that we as players and they as developers just have to accept was bad and move on. The free work some of the devs did to give hrothgar and viera some of the headgear items was nice, but in the end I think that’s the most that we can expect and it may have caused them to be less likely to give us the full spread in the end since our position on getting all the headgear is weaker now than it would be if they could wear none of it at all.

My very first Final Fantasy game was Tactics Advance, so I have a deep love for Ivalice and want to like viera. They’re tall, muscular, AND pretty and I actually like their subdued emotes that fit their personality in the other games and don’t make me feel like an anime girl whenever I do anything. But as soon as I start feeling limited, either with hair options or hats, I inevitably fantasia back to hyur. It’s too bad that their attempt to add my favorite race to FFXIV was sort of a half effort.

[lalin]

i think they mostly notice the posts on the Japanese forums , like the emotes post there where most of the suggested emotes got implemented in the game at some point .
what's bothering me the most are the hats more than the hairstyles to be honest , because style/glamours are what make the character more unique then the hairstyles , because lets be honest we only have too few faces to choose from and each race have the same bodyshape so only glamours will make your character unique to you . we don't have to have all the hats ingame , just one wearable (dyeable) hat for each class would be nice .

[FoxyAreku]

Bumping this. The state of hrothgar and viera is honestly disgusting, especially with how long it has been. There are even mods out that let you wear some hats or change your hairstyle away from your face-how is it that modders have done this when Square insists they can't? Clearly it's not that hard, is square just lazy? It's so annoying.

[SturmChurro]

They probably just don't think this is a very important issue in comparison to the other things they are working on. No, I am not defending them either. It's been nearly a year and a half since these races were released, they chose to release hrothgar in the limited state they are in for their "beast head", knowing their limitations in doing so. The fact that you guys have to use a fantasia to change your hair - which you only have one alternative of per face - is frankly egregious. Not a single update, for EITHER race, and even IF they released in the next patch it would probably be too little too late in the patch cycle. Maybe, as others have suggested before, they are waiting for the next expansion for any actual updates to these races. Releasing it now, wouldn't get much attention, but releasing it then would.

I wonder if and when (supposedly) we eventually do get an update for viera/hrothgar, if it will actually be substantial or not.

[Jennah]

Subjects are hatless.
Repeat: hatless.

[Raikai]

There is this "Not enough time to adapt old hats" reasoning I've seen before... But that one does not justify at all the fact that hats released POST Hroth and Viera release still don't work for them. What gives? Is not like both races have a sculpture of a horn on top of their heads. Viera's ears start more or less in the same spot of a Miqo'te and the only one that would probably clip inside bigger hats is the lowered ears... And even so, just a couple of models out there.

Hairstyles, no excuse for the Modern Aesthetics not being tailored at least for Viera. I would get that Hroth's head shape might be really complicated to tinker some styles, but Viera? C'mon, they are basically human heads with bunny ears on top.

[HeyMcFly]

The reason likely why we won't get Viera & Hrothgar updates (Or a much needed character creator overhaul) is it's not that big of a deal to the SE team, regardless of the many complaints & requests from players. If the JP community isn't complaining about it it likely won't happen- once enough of the JP community gets on it, SE will notice.

I think Mog Station head items & Special code head & hair items (clouds hair, /y'shtola's moddish attire, aymerics hair, matoya's hat) should have been included to be wearable & visibly seen on viera & Hrothgar, no exceptions. It's a legit over sight but with the set backs of Covid, etc. it will likely be an excuse or reason why Viera & Hrothgar won't be updated for a very, very long time.

I'd die for a character creator overhaul & Viera/ Hrothgar updates. I'd also like to add that The lack of unique hairstyles, long hair styles, stubble, beards, more variety of color wheel options, lack of tattoo's, lack of make-up options-- let's face it, the FFXIV character creator is out-dated which tempts people to use mods (Which, if you take a good long look at many of the mods, they're not NSFW- but they're beards, natural looking make-up, Contour to enhance faces, long hairs, NPC hairs & clipping fixing, quality fixes because the existing character creator leaves so much to be desired.)
Among those are Viera hats.

I'd also like to add What's even more disappointing about Viera is they are really just, boring. Sure, they have pretty features on their face but overall, nothing like how they looked in FFXll. I loved the way the Viera looked in FFXll- yes, even the long fingers with the long nails- in FFXIV, Viera just seem so watered down & less feral & bland. I wish the current design only offered 1 ear type, to look just like Frans ears- the way they're raised & close together with Spots, that way we might have seen Hats.

[Sinzalia]

The state is outrageous for both vieras and hrothgars. They are -broken-

We pay for items just like anyone else on the mogstation but cant -use- the items we paid for. We work hard for our gear but can't show them. Glamours are a huge thing in FF14 and I honestly thought they would fix both races within the first few months of the expansion. I PAID rl money for a race change because I was under the impression that the hat and hair situation would be solved soon but it had got on the back burner in the expansion. Soon I had to shelf out with MORE rl money for ANOTHER race change because I want my hats.. It is really unacceptable the state it is in now.

[Evergrey]

The state is outrageous for both vieras and hrothgars. They are -broken-

They aren't broken though.
We were told before release that the Viera and Hrothgar would have big limitations to them when it came to headgear and hairstyles and the community (mostly) were happy with said limitations if that was what was required to add the Viera & Hrothgar to the game.

We were however also told that there would be new headpieces and hairstyles added over time after their release.