Advertising sexual content in party finder

[Arillyn]

I'm just going to preface this by stating I am a parent. My husband and I know EXACTLY what games our kids are playing. If they are not approved by us, they don't get them - can't buy, can't have as gifts - just cannot have. It is our responsibility to monitor what they are playing. It is our responsibility to teach them safe online habits. There are a lot of predators out there. Is everyone? No, most people aren't. But they do exist. This isn't victim blaming the parents if their kid gets into a situation online - but it is the parents' responsibility to try and do their best to prevent it from happening in the first place and to teach their children what to look out for.

I don't have a solution to stop ERP from any game. Honestly, I don't care if consenting adults do it. I don't know how SE or any other online game is supposed to monitor and stop it 100% though from it happening with a minor. Should it be in PF? No, probably not. Shouts? Again, probably not. But there are many ways for minors to be groomed by predators and I expect PF and shouts are the least of it. But SE cannot monitor all interactions of all players. They just can't do it, no game can.

As for adults protecting minors - yes I believe that is the responsibility of all adults. The ultimate responsibility does fall to the parents. I will say though the FC I am in, we are inclusive AND family friendly. We've had some minors in the past and when we knew it we all watched our language when they were on and we watched out for them in-game. Some of these minors are now young adults. We joke about our "kids" have grown up.

[Gula]

Chat does more harm then the PF. But one should always choose the lesser of two evils.

So why are you fighting so hard to defend it? Do you hook in one of these things? Because I see no good reason to argue so vehemently against it besides absolutely needing it in your life.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

So why are you fighting so hard to defend it? Do you hook in one of these things? Because I see no good reason to argue so vehemently against it besides absolutely needing it in your life.

Probably because you're all trying to kill a fly with a nuke.

[NanaWiloh]

So why are you fighting so hard to defend it? Do you hook in one of these things? Because I see no good reason to argue so vehemently against it besides absolutely needing it in your life.

Not defending it remove adverts from PF if you want no skin off my back. But the PF adverts are not the source of the problem.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Not defending it remove adverts from PF if you want no skin off my back. But the PF adverts are not the source of the problem.

It irks me that people are using serious matters like pedophilia and online predators just to attack PFs they don't like.

[NanaWiloh]

Probably because you're all trying to kill a fly with a nuke.

I think of it more of trying to kill a elephant with a wooden spoon.

[MintnHoney]

Remember when we had that Marriage megathread in these forums?

Predators, all of them. Clearly. Must punish, must ban, children in danger.

[Zsolen]

I don't have a solution to stop ERP from any game. Honestly, I don't care if consenting adults do it. I don't know how SE or any other online game is supposed to monitor and stop it 100% though from it happening with a minor. Should it be in PF? No, probably not. Shouts? Again, probably not. But there are many ways for minors to be groomed by predators and I expect PF and shouts are the least of it. But SE cannot monitor all interactions of all players. They just can't do it, no game can.

I don't think many care of consenting adults do it. While it is against ToS, SE and most like myself do not seem to care if it is private. That said, going by people being unable to verify who they engage with is the part I question. The organizer will have no idea who will show up. Don't ERP in this game is only one solution that reduces chances (nothing completely eliminates the chance). The others solutions are either finding a clever non-invasive way of confirming age (which is difficult) or stick with the people you know. Someone mentioned that Balmung and Mateus had discords and possible other 3rd party measures. If this 3rd party apps are helpful in keeping things private and weeding out minors and the creepy, then maybe other servers should join suit.

However this is only the measures the ERP community can take itself. Vigilance is always key and being friendly with younger people without overstepping may give that younger person someone they can trust enough to tell in case anyone makes them feel uncomfortable, if they question someone's sincerity, or if they mention the person casually and someone notices something off.

I'm not interested in reporting ERP/mature ads for one reason: the person making the pf may not want anything to do with minors. More than likely they don't. However, the issues lies with who may show up. Would I be in favor of SE saying no pf? Yes. Do I think someone putting up a pf is a horrible person for doing it? Absolutely not. The only exception is if they really do happen to have ill-intent, but that is hard to tell from pf. But why would I want to punish someone with no ill-intent? That's like reporting someone that is swearing at no one in particular.

[Gula]

Probably because you're all trying to kill a fly with a nuke.

Time and time again it has been posted. It is. Against. The. Terms. Of. Service.

Naoki Yoshida, director and producer of the game you play, has stated to report it.

The irl problems are a byproduct of the overarching goal here.

[Arillyn]

I'm not interested in reporting ERP/mature ads for one reason: the person making the pf may not want anything to do with minors. More than likely they don't. However, the issues lies with who may show up. Would I be in favor of SE saying no pf? Yes. Do I think someone putting up a pf is a horrible person for doing it? Absolutely not. The only exception is if they really do happen to have ill-intent, but that is hard to tell from pf. But why would I want to punish someone with no ill-intent? That's like reporting someone that is swearing at no one in particular.

You and I are in agreement. I don't report ads in PF for this type of thing. I don't report shouts for it either. And I wouldn't, unless there was something so blatant like it said actively looking for minors. I don't automatically think people who advertise brothels or erp are looking to do so with anyone other than consenting adults. I don't think ill of people who want to engage in erp and I don't think they are bad people. Could a minor show up to an event? Of course. Can it be verified? No, probably not. So if SE were to come out and say "hey, no more advertising this in pf" I wouldn't blame them. But it's not something I'm up in arms about.