In-game content behind paywalls/ Exclusivity on limited time events/mounts/etc

[Laerad3993]

Sorry, I disagree. I see no problem with them putting emotes alongside the statues. I have bought two each time they release, and will continue to do so.

There is nothing wrong with it, and this is the same speech a VERY minor few people have been posting for 7 years(we need the doom and gloom thread back). What is and isn’t right when it comes to how they make money, that’s probably going to lean more towards you know, the developer/IP holder making decisions for the company and its interests, and not the player base.

To further that, I enjoy supporting the game and developers past the 12.99 a month it costs to play, I actually don’t remember anymore the exact original sub cost because I also choose to pay for all retainers and the app. Nothing about it is predatory. I also play FFBE and don’t whale, when in fact THAT game, is more in line with what you’re claiming is going on here with the Mogstation and items they sell with merch. It’s your choice, they aren’t forcing you to buy anything or pressuring you to, there is absolutely NO in game advantage to me getting the emote(a cosmetic effect), and you not, and there’s 0 reason that they can’t or shouldn’t do it past your disagreement with it. There CAN be a balance of both in and out of game. The money goes back into the game from what has been told in the past. I doubt we’d be where we are with the game if not for all they’ve done up to this point.

The only thing I would change personally about how the cash shop works, is to do what WoW does and donate proceeds to charity for specific mounts/pets. Otherwise, I think everything is fine the way it is.

[ItMe]

[...]what these things don't cover, patch update content, holiday events, and supplemental gameplay events ie new raids. They have to pay artists, musicians, voice actors, programmers to make patch content, so where do they get the money? Sell stuff in the cash shop.

This is especially true for FF14 since the only money it makes that goes 100% back into the game is when someone makes a purchase from the Mogstation.

[StriderShinryu]

Sorry, I disagree. I see no problem with them putting emotes alongside the statues. I have bought two each time they release, and will continue to do so.

There is nothing wrong with it, and this is the same speech a VERY minor few people have been posting for 7 years(we need the doom and gloom thread back). What is and isn’t right when it comes to how they make money, that’s probably going to lean more towards you know, the developer/IP holder making decisions for the company and its interests, and not the player base.

To further that, I enjoy supporting the game and developers past the 12.99 a month it costs to play, I actually don’t remember anymore the exact original sub cost because I also choose to pay for all retainers and the app. Nothing about it is predatory. I also play FFBE and don’t whale, when in fact THAT game, is more in line with what you’re claiming is going on here with the Mogstation and items they sell with merch. It’s your choice, they aren’t forcing you to buy anything or pressuring you to, there is absolutely NO in game advantage to me getting the emote(a cosmetic effect), and you not, and there’s 0 reason that they can’t or shouldn’t do it past your disagreement with it. There CAN be a balance of both in and out of game. The money goes back into the game from what has been told in the past. I doubt we’d be where we are with the game if not for all they’ve done up to this point.

The only thing I would change personally about how the cash shop works, is to do what WoW does and donate proceeds to charity for specific mounts/pets. Otherwise, I think everything is fine the way it is.

Eh.. I have enough disposable income myself but this is a pretty skewed view. If you can afford to buy two of every statue they release, plus all retainers, plus the app to the degree where you're not even sure how much it all costs, it's pretty easy to see why you see nothing wrong with the current practices. Sure they could be doing things in a much more predatory way but it's easy to see why people aren't entirely happy.

[Laerad3993]

Eh.. I have enough disposable income myself but this is a pretty skewed view. If you can afford to buy two of every statue they release, plus all retainers, plus the app to the degree where you're not even sure how much it all costs, it's pretty easy to see why you see nothing wrong with the current practices. Sure they could be doing things in a much more predatory way but it's easy to see why people aren't entirely happy.

Except it’s not even a little predatory, in any way. I work 75 hours a week right now, dont go posting that people just have money to throw around. People smoke, they drink, they do a lot of things I’d wager their money is probably better spent on, or to draw it in a bit. How someone chooses to spend their money is their business. It is not the fault of the company for providing a service or goods that someone else is mad that they cannot have because it is locked behind something they do not want to buy, or can not afford. That isn’t how the world works.

[cicatriz313]

Eh.. I have enough disposable income myself but this is a pretty skewed view. If you can afford to buy two of every statue they release, plus all retainers, plus the app to the degree where you're not even sure how much it all costs, it's pretty easy to see why you see nothing wrong with the current practices. Sure they could be doing things in a much more predatory way but it's easy to see why people aren't entirely happy.

It's easy to see for sure. It's called entitlement. People think there shouldn't be anything someone else has that they don't. The thread includes timed exclusive items like titles or mounts from events... Like that's not even predatory that's just how they reward people for participating throughout the year. The poster having enough disposable income to get convenience and buy products to support a game they enjoy doesn't make their viewpoint "skewed", in my opinion. It seems to me like a good way to both support the company and get cool stuff yourself.

[SturmChurro]

Eh.. I have enough disposable income myself but this is a pretty skewed view. If you can afford to buy two of every statue they release, plus all retainers, plus the app to the degree where you're not even sure how much it all costs, it's pretty easy to see why you see nothing wrong with the current practices. Sure they could be doing things in a much more predatory way but it's easy to see why people aren't entirely happy.

A lot of people have funny priorities. Like donating their entire minimum wage paycheck to twitch streamers.

[Malakii]

It's easy to see for sure. It's called entitlement. People think there shouldn't be anything someone else has that they don't. The thread includes timed exclusive items like titles or mounts from events... Like that's not even predatory that's just how they reward people for participating throughout the year. The poster having enough disposable income to get convenience and buy products to support a game they enjoy doesn't make their viewpoint "skewed", in my opinion. It seems to me like a good way to both support the company and get cool stuff yourself.

Its not entitlement man lol, its real life. I was deployed to Afghanistan when the 1st PVP season was going on, others weren't playing the game, others may have other shit going on etc. So you think that these people shouldn't be able to acquire said content for what exclusivity. It's already exclusive, you have to be in the top 100. I am not asking it to be given to me, all I am asking for is it to be is a potential reward for anyone that gets in the top 100. I would still have to participate in their system which would be a good thing for PVP in general, to encourage more to participate. I think that if you do something exactly the same as someone else no matter if it was a year from now or 2 days later. It should have the same reward or at least be an option as a reward. So sure, you could say I feel entitled i guess, I would disagree obv, I just feel for those that were around back then that had real-life shit going on or new players that join the game to be excluded for something because they started playing late is dumb. You think I feel the excitement when I whip out my legacy Chocobo or feel entitled over someone else no. I think it's dumb. The reduce sub was good enough, but when they excluded other players out from in-game content they cross a line.

As for the predatory statement, I changed the original post to exclude it from saying predatory cause I was frustrated, but through other comments, and the bias that I was frustrated at the time of the original post I realize it was not the correct term to use. I don't understand the satisfaction of buying something instead of earning it. To me, it's not awesome, it's like wow man nice you spent $12 or $24 dollars on something, congratz... What does that have to do with playing the game at all? I mean people act like its crazy to think that SE isn't taking the money and using it on something else or excluding content to put on the market place when this is what they do for every single release of a game or expansion. Collector's edition has + in-game content linked to it excluded from the game made for the game. Like I said this is just my opinion and I can't convince someone to stop doing it and SE is not going to stop while customers are okay with it. So it is what it is. This does not invalidate my opinion nor yours of the opposite nature.

[cicatriz313]

I don't think people who weren't in the game for events should get access to them just because they want them. You think you should have access to something you do not without having to fulfill the requirements. Part of seasonal rewards is seasonal prizes. Events or pvp or otherwise.

You also complained about emotes that came with goods as if you should have the option to them without having to buy said goods, although they are exclusively available to be provided with them. The emotes are specifically created to be sold with the statues as an in game incentive to make the company money. A ten dollar a month subscription already affords you tons of content and items to collect. It's crazy how much people expect when they pay so little. Anyway I don't see things changing anytime soon. I think people prefer having exclusive items more than people like having access to everything.

[Malakii]

I don't think people who weren't in the game for events should get access to them just because they want them. You think you should have access to something you do not without having to fulfill the requirements. Part of seasonal rewards is seasonal prizes. Events or pvp or otherwise.

You also complained about emotes that came with goods as if you should have the option to them without having to buy said goods, although they are exclusively available to be provided with them. The emotes are specifically created to be sold with the statues as an in game incentive to make the company money. A ten dollar a month subscription already affords you tons of content and items to collect. It's crazy how much people expect when they pay so little. Anyway I don't see things changing anytime soon. I think people prefer having exclusive items more than people like having access to everything.

I would pay double or triple to preserve what's best for the player base imo.

[Vidu]

I would pay double or triple to preserve what's best for the player base imo.

I would dare to say that limited events with limited rewards are infact good for the playerbase - those rewards create an incentive to play certain content. And to do that right now - instead of putting it off again, thinking "Oh, I can always come back to this when I feel like it..."
It creates a certain drive and motivation and actually gets people into this content who normally wouldnt.
I'm thinking especially about the Garo and Yokai events here - Garo even more than Yokai: PvP was never really popular, despite some nice rewards being locked behind it. When Garo was first announced with the addition of "This is going away at somepoint" we suddenly had acceptable PvP-queues for a couple of months, because people wanted to make sure not to miss out. I know its anedotacial, but quite a few of my friends and FC-mates who arent into PvP tried their hands on it during that time - and they wouldnt have wouldnt it been content that was bound to go away.

I think whats best for the playerbase is a mix of rewards that are always available - and rewards that are only there for a limited amount of time, since those later rewards give people a push in a certain direction, to try content they normally wouldnt or to add some motivation to do this content right now. Often to the benefit of other people - you need players for queues, for FATEs. By making certain things limited time only, you concentrate the intrest of players into that timeframe, making sure the content actually gets played. I'm having the Halloween and Valentines Day duties in mind right now: They're only available for a couple of weeks each year, so everyone intrested in them focusses on them in this time frame. If it were more spread out, queues would be much, much slower.