"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[JohnSpawnVFX]

On what plane of reality is advice so frowned upon in real life?

Experienced people give others pointers all the time in recreational activities / hobbies IRL when they see someone floundering, even more-so if there are shared stakes.

Is this a regional thing perhaps? Where I'm from, these kinds of interactions are almost always seen as a positive thing.

The plane of reality where people take any input on what they're doing as a personal attack. Hallmark of people who pretend to care about others, when it's a smokescreen to cover their own asses.

[LaughingBanana]

Let me know which school has teachers allowing students to answer incorrectly to a question and only let's them know they were wrong afterwards, in private.

This teacher-student alegory is not as well thought as you think it is.

For one, one is in a position of power/authority above the other; do you really think it is an equal situation to two players playing the same game using their own money?

To wit: I am not against people giving advices to those who are playing terribly. I just don't think this comparison is an apt one.

[Kanjien]

The plane of reality where people take any input on what they're doing as a personal attack. Hallmark of people who pretend to care about others, when it's a smokescreen to cover their own asses.

Oh please get off your high horse, just because people disagree with you doesn't make them inept, any more than your fervor for this topic makes you any better of a player except in your own mind.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Oh please get off your high horse, just because people disagree with you doesn't make them inept, any more than your fervor for this topic makes you any better of a player except in your own mind.

I didn't know bogging down your group willfully was just a disagreement.

Yes, not all of them are inept. Some are just lazy and don't care about others.

And I am a better player. I don't bog down my party.

[Skivvy]

This finally made it to page 2 of the forums, and you had to bump it. Shaaaaaaaame!

[Lucy_Pyre]

This finally made it to page 2 of the forums, and you had to bump it. Shaaaaaaaame!

No, keep it going. This is my favorite thread.

[Veis_Alveare]

Oh please get off your high horse, just because people disagree with you doesn't make them inept, any more than your fervor for this topic makes you any better of a player except in your own mind.

Is there another reason these people are so ready to push for the criminalization of basic advice and standards?

I mean, if you're bad and don't want to get called out it tracks that you'd try to attach negative stigma to anyone pointing out your poor play. Your only other route would be to improve and we all know how tOxIc and eLiTiSt that is.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Oh please get off your high horse, just because people disagree with you doesn't make them inept, any more than your fervor for this topic makes you any better of a player except in your own mind.

I mean if we're being brutally honest here, a large percentage of XIV's playerbase is inept and incapable. It just so happens that most of the individuals who fit into that descriptor also happen to fall cleanly within the mindset of attempting to attach negative connotations to the sheer act of an individual giving another individual advice in an attempt to help better them as a player.

[Goji1639]

I mean if we're being brutally honest here, a large percentage of XIV's playerbase is inept and incapable. It just so happens that most of the individuals who fit into that descriptor also happen to fall cleanly within the mindset of attempting to attach negative connotations to the sheer act of an individual giving another individual advice in an attempt to help better them as a player.

No one's applying a negative connotations to criticism. I am explaining the already established negative connotation towards criticizing people in public. If the idea was to avoid criticism I'd be telling you not to do it at all; I wouldn't be telling you to simply do it in private.

Pulling someone aside to criticize them is just the polite thing to do. What I'm telling you about how to interact with people won't just help you communicate more effectively in this game; it's something you can apply to real life to.

You'll get a far more positive, receptive response if you're polite. That's what you want, isn't it... For casual players to be receptive of your advice?

[Bopsheezi]

5.3 can't come soon enough to let this garbage die.