In-game content behind paywalls/ Exclusivity on limited time events/mounts/etc

[ForteNightshade]

The only thing I wish they did with cash shop was an in game way to earn crysta. Like gil to crysta (and not back to gil). I like a lot of the cash money items, but I would prefer to use my gil to purchase it, even if it was like a million gil to the dollar.

The reason they don't is gil has become so comically inflated, it's largely worthless. I could nearly afford to purchase the Omega M/F statue with only gil even using your ratio. Adding a conversion system like that would make RMT and bots worse on a whole new level since they'd have a huge incentivize—more than they already do.

[Malakii]

The only thing I wish they did with cash shop was an in-game way to earn crysta. Like gil to crysta (and not back to gil). I like a lot of the cash money items, but I would prefer to use my gil to purchase it, even if it was like a million gil to the dollar.

I would be okay with that as well, just some way to earn these without spending money. I just not part of this generation that is like here take my money you deserve it. You are awesome for creating a digital product and not including it in the game. Yes another team is maybe making them, does it matter it still capital SE invests and receives returns on to exclude content from being delivered in-game. I still remember games before loot boxes, cash shop, that when you purchased the game the developers not only made content for 1000's of hours but they used just your sub to make content. Like FF11 where was the cash shop in that. There wasn't one, maybe now idk. In this game you finish content in 8 weeks, then wait for 3-6 months, but I digress it doesn't matter. It's a new era of gaming. I can see that. Have to hope AoC or Panethon lives up to no cash shop models.

[Controller]

I would be okay with that as well, just some way to earn these without spending money. I just not part of this generation that is like here take my money you deserve it. You are awesome for creating a digital product and not including it in the game. Yes another team is maybe making them, does it matter it still capital SE invests and receives returns on to exclude content from being delivered in-game. I still remember games before loot boxes, cash shop, that when you purchased the game the developers not only made content for 1000's of hours but they used just your sub to make content. Like FF11 where was the cash shop in that. There wasn't one, maybe now idk. In this game you finish content in 8 weeks, then wait for 3-6 months, but I digress it doesn't matter. It's a new era of gaming. I can see that. Have to hope AoC or Panethon lives up to no cash shop models.

The only way to get what you apparently want is to start paying way more for video games. kiss 60 bucks goodbye if you want cashshops to be gone. Better start asking devs to sell their games at like 120 a pop then. It's whatever to me.. I make enough cash to do it. But you'll get ALOT of push back from gamers not in the spot of able to drop 120 a pop. It just wouldn't work. Hell look at the push back 2K is getting from trying to sell their new 2k basketball game on PS5 next year. And that's just a jump of TEN bucks.

[Seraphor]

I'm all for any purely cosmetic additions to the cash shop, because without them, our subs would probably double in price.
Within reason of course, but previously exclusive limited time event items are the perfect candidates.

You can't 100% an MMO, so your argument that "players are conditioned to collect everything" falls pretty flat.

[EtherRose]

With the recent talk of changing the names of the titles in the firmament and seeing the badass omega weapon statue, it has brought up some issues I personally have had for a while and would love to hear what the community thinks about these things as well.

This leads me to the cash shop. I know some people are going to disagree or come back with the response that the cash shop items revenue is used to create more cash shop items. This is an irrelevant statement IMO. I feel the gaming industry has conditioned gamers to want to complete these goals by rewarding platinum trophies in the past and the 100% completion title. Thus, I feel like these cash shops are a form of predatory practice by excluding items from the game to have customers pay more for content that should be already included in the paid product. Normally this is w/e in a free-to-play game but this is a subscription-based game and the reason I support subscription-based games is to avoid these kinds of practices or hope to at least.

There have been quite a few threads about this already. However, your "Feel" is wrong. First off you're comparing normal games to an MMO in terms of "Completion". No. Conditioned to want to accomplish everything? No. Because i sure as in hell don't care much for achievements, i play to have fun. Predatory? No. The mogstation is nothing but "Optional" items. You don't need them. And no it should not be included in the base game because again, it's "Optional". No one is forcing you to buy these things other than yourself and then you complain about it because you can't keep yourself in place.

And as for a subscription based game - you pay for the content given within the expansions and patches/updates that follow. Also monthly sub is paying for servers/maintenance/future expansions/content/paying employees, etc. So no, you did not "Pay" for everything in the mogstation which is purely cosmetic/optional.

[Malakii]

There have been quite a few threads about this already. However, your "Feel" is wrong. First off you're comparing normal games to an MMO in terms of "Completion". No. Conditioned to want to accomplish everything? No. Because i sure as in hell don't care much for achievements, i play to have fun. Predatory? No. The mogstation is nothing but "Optional" items. You don't need them. And no it should not be included in the base game because again, it's "Optional". No one is forcing you to buy these things other than yourself and then you complain about it because you can't keep yourself in place.

And as for a subscription based game - you pay for the content given within the expansions and patches/updates that follow. Also monthly sub is paying for servers/maintenance/future expansions/content/paying employees, etc. So no, you did not "Pay" for everything in the mogstation which is purely cosmetic/optional.

My feel is not wrong it is my opinion as I have stated several times, just like your statement is your opinion. I am not complaining cause I am forced to buy anything. I stated if I want to collect etc. I would have to spend thousands of dollars and in that regard, I would be forced to pay money cause there is no other way to obtain these digital items. You think I am personally buying anything from the cash shop. Hell no, I think cash shops are the downfall to any game. It is the first sign that shareholders and profits are more important than the player base. I don't understand why digital items from SE don't belong in base game of ffxiv. Are they to do with ffxiv, yea. Are they digital content that already exist in FFXIV, yea. So why would they go to a cash shop and not the whole player base? 1 reason is profit, money. As a consumer, you approve of this? Like i dont understand the white knighting of SE. Also, I think just cause it doesn't apply to you personally I feel like it does apply to some people and the gaming industry not specifically SE has encouraged collecting of items. There are roughly 60k+ twitch viewers that watch asmongold and what does he do? Collect achievements and mounts.

[Seraphor]

It is the first sign that shareholders and profits are more important than the player base.

Both are important. One can't exists without the other, hence a balance has to be maintained. You'd know this if you've ever run a business.
The playerbase is largely happy with the cash shop as it is, it's one of the better, most player-friendly cash shops of all MMO's. It's not at all predatory because it's all cosmetic, and it's not advertised in-game.

[Malakii]

I'm all for any purely cosmetic additions to the cash shop, because without them, our subs would probably double in price.
Within reason of course, but previously exclusive limited time event items are the perfect candidates.

You can't 100% an MMO, so your argument that "players are conditioned to collect everything" falls pretty flat.

I disagree but, to each their own. This game will end but while it goes on. I am currently 100% complete on triple triad cards. You can have 100% for patches until the next one comes out. I mean take ff15 for example when it came out for could get the platinum for it. Then they added episodes on top of it and calculated it back into the overall score. No new platinum but new trophies. Was I not 100% before episodes came out. Ofc I was. As far as the sub raising i don't see it happening but, if it did it wouln't be by that much. I think that is heavy exaggerated but hey I was too in the initial post so touche.

[Malakii]

Both are important. One can't exists without the other, hence a balance has to be maintained. You'd know this if you've ever run a business.
The playerbase is largely happy with the cash shop as it is, it's one of the better, most player-friendly cash shops of all MMO's. It's not at all predatory because it's all cosmetic, and it's not advertised in-game.

You would also know that you can have all the stakeholders and investments you want but you would not have any profits without consumers. If the community disagrees with a direction SE is going we have the power to say no. SE could say you know what FFXIV is not worth it and shut it down or they would change. I think we hold a little more value than you give us credit for, they want that ROI.

[Seraphor]

You would also know that you can have all the stakeholders and investments you want but you would not have any profits without consumers. If the community disagrees with a direction SE is going we have the power to say no. SE could say you know what FFXIV is not worth it and shut it down or they would change. I think we hold a little more value than you give us credit for, they want that ROI.

Is that not what I just said?

You're right, luckily the community doesn't, for the most part, disagree. Its just you.