Beastmaster will be better as a limited job than a full one.

[AceofRains]

Limited is bad. I feel like this community always wants to have their cake and eat it too- in this case by having certain pets because one pet is prettier than the other. That’s why we constantly run into awkward design flaws.

WoW has an explicit example of a Beastmaster and it’s not at all limited, and there are cases where having a certain pet is optimal. Monster collection would be great, don’t get me wrong. But there should be an optimal pet- no glamours about it.

You guys literally just want it to be limited so you can have the specific pet you like instead of the apex pet. That’s what minions are for- glamour pets that don’t do anything. Don’t get Beastmaster ruined over this.

[Reinha]

There would be way more creativity if the job was limited and had its own battle content like BLU, maybe even its own PVP to fight other players with their own beast.

That's what Lords of Verminion is for.

If BST was a full job. It would honestly suck because then it'll end up like summoner where you're only using a handful of certain monsters. Probably like 3 just like summoner.

SMN has 6 pet skins and there is nothing preventing them from having more except dev choice. Beastmaster could just as well have pet attack 1, pet attack 2 and special pet attack which have a different animation and/or effect based on the pet skin.

[Auryan]

Limited is bad. I feel like this community always wants to have their cake and eat it too- in this case by having certain pets because one pet is prettier than the other. That’s why we constantly run into awkward design flaws.

WoW has an explicit example of a Beastmaster and it’s not at all limited, and there are cases where having a certain pet is optimal. Monster collection would be great, don’t get me wrong. But there should be an optimal pet- no glamours about it.

You guys literally just want it to be limited so you can have the specific pet you like instead of the apex pet. That’s what minions are for- glamour pets that don’t do anything. Don’t get Beastmaster ruined over this.

Glamour definitely plays some role. Especially when thinking about how SMN's egi glamour system hasn't been updated for 4 years now on account of it being a low priority. With an emphasis on collecting/taming beasts, that wouldn't be a problem for BST like it is for SMN.

They won't be using WoW's Beastmaster as an inspiration. They'll be looking at FFV, FFTA/FFTA2 & FFXI as a basis for it, just like they do with a lot of other jobs from other titles. Depending on how they design the job and taming system, they can add more depth to the pets other than just bigger damage numbers. If it's like BLU, they could give BST a similar level of versatility by giving the pets their own roles/niches.

Like if you need a tanky pet, you bring along a crab or Adamantoise. Or if you need healing/support, bring in a Mandragora for Photosynthesis (AoE regen). And for fun: bombs for obvious reasons.

There are a lot of ways they can take a non-standard BST and reducing it down to "wanting this just for the (subjective) prettiest pets" is not very accurate.

[MikkoAkure]

Limited is bad. I feel like this community always wants to have their cake and eat it too- in this case by having certain pets because one pet is prettier than the other. That’s why we constantly run into awkward design flaws.

WoW has an explicit example of a Beastmaster and it’s not at all limited, and there are cases where having a certain pet is optimal. Monster collection would be great, don’t get me wrong. But there should be an optimal pet- no glamours about it.

You guys literally just want it to be limited so you can have the specific pet you like instead of the apex pet. That’s what minions are for- glamour pets that don’t do anything. Don’t get Beastmaster ruined over this.

This isn’t WoW.

Yoshi-P has already made his stance on pet classes and we’ve seen all existing pets get their functionality chipped away more and more. I could be wrong, and this post could age like a banana, but I don’t believe we will ever see another pet job show up in this game as a full job. All pets are now untargetable by enemies and unkillable by AoEs so that throws a wrench into any idea of a normal BST already unless they make an exception, which doesn’t seem likely.

[AceofRains]

Glamour definitely plays some role. Especially when thinking about how SMN's egi glamour system hasn't been updated for 4 years now on account of it being a low priority. With an emphasis on collecting/taming beasts, that wouldn't be a problem for BST like it is for SMN.

They won't be using WoW's Beastmaster as an inspiration. They'll be looking at FFV, FFTA/FFTA2 & FFXI as a basis for it, just like they do with a lot of other jobs from other titles. Depending on how they design the job and taming system, they can add more depth to the pets other than just bigger damage numbers. If it's like BLU, they could give BST a similar level of versatility by giving the pets their own roles/niches.

Like if you need a tanky pet, you bring along a crab or Adamantoise. Or if you need healing/support, bring in a Mandragora for Photosynthesis (AoE regen). And for fun: bombs for obvious reasons.

There are a lot of ways they can take a non-standard BST and reducing it down to "wanting this just for the (subjective) prettiest pets" is not very accurate.

Why would they not look at a similar functioning job/class in one of the worlds most well respected mmos for a little bit of creative inspiration. That would be the most ignorant thing they could do.

Summoner actually used to have niche pets, but what they did there was try to match them a real role instead of like where WoW has specific pet roles. Eventually they had to rework that because having pets try to take on actual roles does not make sense. And while pet in WoW roles somewhat mirror that of a job/class role, they are not the same thing.

[Seraphor]

They struggle to make three pets viable for SMN, there's no way a Beast Tamer as a normal job would have multiple pets, at which point... what's the point?

Also, 'balance' isn't a word in WoW's vocabulary.

But instead of a Limited Job, Beast Tamer could simply be an expansion of the Companion system. Maybe that ties into 'My Little Chocobo' becoming mandatory in the next update.
This could then work WITH Blue Mage, and help it function as more of a solo job.

[Auryan]

Why would they not look at a similar functioning job/class in one of the worlds most well respected mmos for a little bit of creative inspiration. That would be the most ignorant thing they could do.

Summoner actually used to have niche pets, but what they did there was try to match them a real role instead of like where WoW has specific pet roles. Eventually they had to rework that because having pets try to take on actual roles does not make sense. And while pet in WoW roles somewhat mirror that of a job/class role, they are not the same thing.

Maybe my wording was too absolutist. I didn't mean to imply that they shouldn't look to non-FF games for inspiration. They could and maybe do on some minor level.

I was mostly pointing to how these jobs have history within the franchise and that adapting these is what they want to mainly accomplish. YMMV.

[Jennah]

I can't imagine SE pouring a lot of development resources into another limited job, considering how near-universally poorly received Blue Mage was.

I'd be less shocked by the announcement of "Okay, we give in, BLU is now a full job, and also here are Male Viera and they can wear hats" than the announcement of a new limited job.

[craybest]

no more limited jobs please. let everyone reach endgame with their characters

[Jkap_Goat]

to everyone about not liking Limited Jobs: Don't play it then

i enjoy Limited Jobs, they function and are not shoehorned into this holy Trinity system that the other jobs are, they shoehorned Summoner and from FFXI, its a disappointment.

i like Limited jobs and i had more fun with blue mage than i have in this whole expansion so i cannot wait for BST and PUP, more Limited Jobs SE!