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    The Devs apparently learned very little from the bad aspects of Eureka.

    Anyone else remember the whole "Portal Sniping" Fiasco from Eureka? Well, get ready for Portal Sniping 2.0.

    First off there's this:



    So you'll have a zone with 72 in it but randomly choose 24-48 of them to participate in a battle that provides bonus rewards and you DON"T think there's going to be animosity or griefing?

    Sure there are ways to mitigate that RNG, but the devs didn't say how hard it would be to obtain those items (Think the old Magia enhancers, 1% drop rates etc)

    If so, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Then you have the solo battle. From what we've heard you have to be the best person in the fight.

    If you don't think FC's / Linkshells / Discords aren't going to pick one person to try to boost for prestige you are out of your mind. Playing as a Tank or a Healer? Not happening.

    Also:



    Same as Eureka, the gear you earn in Bozja will essentially be useless in the content you earn it in. All of those 5 slot melds in the gear? Gone with sync.

    These systems simply seem extremely not thought through enough.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 07-23-2020 at 12:08 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    They also mentioned ways to get priority by just participating. We will see what happens (because bots), but at first glance players being there AFK and doing nothing to contribute are less likely to get anything this time around.

    Solo battles, knowing ILvL cap is 430, sounds like a step in the right direction to nudge people to improve.

    Edit: Max amount of player per instance is 100. If the critical engagements happen often enough players are bound to rotate. However, not going to lie, I'm trying to be positive because of Potato, I haven't forgot of Firmament Fates.
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    Last edited by Driavna; 07-22-2020 at 11:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    So you'll have a zone with hundreds of people in it but randomly choose 24-48 of them to participate in a battle that provides bonus rewards and you DON"T think there's going to be animosity or griefing?
    The zone limit is 72.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    They also mentioned ways to get priority by just participating. We will see what happens (because bots), but at first glance players being there AFK and doing nothing to contribute are less likely to get anything this time around.

    Solo battles, knowing ILvL cap is 430, sounds like a step in the right direction to nudge people to improve.

    Edit: Max amount of player per instance is 100. If the critical engagements happen often enough players are bound to rotate. However, not going to lie, I'm trying to be positive because of Potato, I haven't forgot of Firmament Fates.
    The ilvl cap is also pretty ridiculous as it makes any gear earned in Bozja irrelevant in the content it's being played at same as Eureka was with it's gear. All the melds are removed.

    What's the point of having a 430 sync if the gear rewarded is 485+ You don't get the benefit of it.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Sounds awesome to me. The start of I don't like it though is to be expected.

    Sounds like you can earn your relic without going there to begin with and anyone who thinks it's not going to be a grind is delusional.
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    Anything outside of Skirmishes and Critical Assaults seem like a MASSIVE grind just to get a 1/48 chance of getting into a raid group. Then narrow that down even further if you are a tank or healer. This seems like an extremely busted design with very obvious flaws. Do not think for a remote second within the 1st year or two of this being out that you will EVER EVER get to do the 1v1 dual without being on a raid leaders good side. This seems very ripe for RMT boost.

    Instead of using the regular mobs as a way to work towards minions or mounts they lock it behind an arbitrary system that makes no sense.
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    The ilvl cap is also pretty ridiculous as it makes any gear earned in Bozja irrelevant in the content it's being played at same as Eureka was with it's gear. All the melds are removed.

    What's the point of having a 430 sync if the gear rewarded is 485+ You don't get the benefit of it.
    *points at final level Eurekan gear*

    If it works like that, you'll get a bigger bonus in the instance from having it on you. A good Eurekan set of armor (with the elemental bonus) is still more powerful than our current gear while in Baldesian Arsenal. If they play it like that, we'll get plenty of benefit from getting it. Assuming of course, they thought ahead (which is up in the air).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    *points at final level Eurekan gear*

    If it works like that, you'll get a bigger bonus in the instance from having it on you. A good Eurekan set of armor (with the elemental bonus) is still more powerful than our current gear while in Baldesian Arsenal. If they play it like that, we'll get plenty of benefit from getting it. Assuming of course, they thought ahead (which is up in the air).
    Yeah and that gear required multiple runs of BA, possibly the hardest content in the game at the time to acquire.

    Most people never got it.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    OP, as long as I don't have to farm logos actions in order to be prepared to even TRY running the big dungeon, then in my opinion they did learn and have removed the worst aspect of Eureka.
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    Fia Mortivault
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    I am pretty critical of Eureka and limited player content, but a lot of this is misinformed so far.

    The max cap is 72 people in the instance. So while not everyone will get in, a large majority will. Those who spawned the Critical Engagement will get priority over those who didn't. The solo battle will more than likely not be based off of DPS or enmity (because that would completely lock out certain jobs forever), but rather other conditions. They mentioned specifically dodging all the AoEs. Things such as this cannot be cheesed by parties.

    The new logos actions look more organized and mounts right out the gate is a great change.

    I am cautiously optimistic.
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