The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

[Driavna]

I don't have any comparative of TLoU at hand so, if that ok with you, I will use another recent game to illustrate my point:





There is something wrong with masculine females or feminine males? No, and I find really cool the character to the right of the second SS, similar to how I find Kuja a cool character too.

[Krotoan]

Abby for sure and before you say "Well shes modeled after a female"
Saying someone is masculine doesn't mean someone is a man or we're calling said person a man. Being Masculine or feminine has nothing to do with gender.

Though I'm done with this argument as we're derailing the thread because we're not even talking about the point of the thread now.

So.. your point in the thread was pointless.

I don't have any comparative of TLoU at hand so, if that ok with you, I will use another recent game to illustrate my point:





There is something wrong with masculine females or feminine males? No, and I find really cool the character to the right of the second SS, similar to how I find Kuja a cool character too.

I asked for TLoU2 because it was brought up and YOU cited the faces. I'm surprised you cannot think of any examples.
Then why complain?

There is nothing wrong with making varied appearances in a game, especially if they are an attempt at making the characters more realistic (most people don't look as attractive as your average video game main characters).

So what was the problem? Western developers make them look more real so.. what? OMG it's pandering to the people who don't like exaggerated attractiveness?

[xxvaynxx]

So.. your point in the thread was pointless.

Eh? How so? not sure what me saying this has to do with my point being pointless. Lol.
All I said was masculine doesn't mean someone is a man. That doesn't invalidate my point sooo....?
Your reply to me was pointless.

[Driavna]

So.. your point in the thread was pointless.



I asked for TLoU2 because it was brought up and YOU cited the faces. I'm surprised you cannot think of any examples.
Then why complain?

There is nothing wrong with making varied appearances in a game, especially if they are an attempt at making the characters more realistic (most people don't look as attractive as your average video game main characters).

So what was the problem? Western developers make them look more real so.. what? OMG it's pandering to the people who don't like exaggerated attractiveness?

Since you are ignoring what I'm saying and still forcing your points of view on me, even if I already stated that I never talked about how attractive a character is, I will say this: will be good for you to notice that you are the one stating that masculine females are less attractive because of pototo.

[Krotoan]

Eh? How so? not sure what me saying this has to do with my point being pointless. Lol.
All I said was masculine doesn't mean someone is a man. That doesn't invalidate my point sooo....?
Your reply to me was pointless.

You refuse to further discuss your point as you said we're getting off track.. so if elaborating your point isn't relevant, why bother?

Since you are ignoring what I'm saying and still forcing your points of view on me, even if I already stated that I never talked about how attractive a character is, I will say this: will be good for you to notice that you are the one stating that masculine females are less attractive because of pototo.

When Did I ever say that masculine females ARE less attractive, I asked why you thought it was a detriment. I can be big enough to say maybe that was taking your post in the wrong direction, however I'd also appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. I am not ignoring what you said, I'm saying YOU originally cited a game as containing something which you now cannot find or cannot be bothered to find examples of.

Again.. what is the problem with having female characters with non-conventional attractive appearances. I am still waiting for your REASON for even griping about it.

[xxvaynxx]

You refuse to further discuss your point as you said we're getting off track.. so if elaborating your point isn't relevant, why bother?

Because their is nothing else to discuss? Just because I'm done with the debate doesn't mean my point now is invalid, just because I don't want to go back and forth.
Many Western Dev making their females intentionally less attractive is already a known thing to please the journalist since they mark down games score for having revealing females.

As seen with Mortal Kombat. The only big one I know about with actual proof they make the females not that good looking on purpose and dress them head to toe while the guys stay half naked with most their gear, they changed it though to make the females more attractive because people complained about it(the actual faces, not the outfits).
Like with cassie and sonya. Because Cassie at first, looked older than sonya who is her mother lol.

[Krotoan]

just because I don't want to go back and forth.

So you just want to talk AT people.. not with people.

Many Western Dev making their females intentionally less attractive is already a known thing to please the journalist since they mark down games score for having revealing females.

Just because you say something doesn't mean it is so.

As seen with Mortal Kombat. The only big one I know about with actual proof they make the females not that good looking on purpose and dress them head to toe while the guys stay half naked with most their gear, they changed it though to make the females more attractive because people complained about it(the actual faces, not the outfits).
Like with cassie and sonya. Because Cassie at first, looked older than sonya who is her mother lol.

I see a lot of rage but no "Proof". They seem to have listened when people complained and changed a couple characters but their original reason for making the characters less "attractive" was that it was more realistic. Not that they wanted them "ugly" just real. So what proof is there? They made them less comically exaggerated. True. They made them "ugly", .. personal preference.

[Joven]

I see a lot of rage but no "Proof". They seem to have listened when people complained and changed a couple characters but their original reason for making the characters less "attractive" was that it was more realistic. Not that they wanted them "ugly" just real. So what proof is there? They made them less comically exaggerated. True. They made them "ugly", .. personal preference.

Just gonna say: when has Mortal Kombat ever been worried about being "realistic"?

Just kind of seems a bit convenient that MK has had the same characters, looking some variant of the same way for 28 years then suddenly after a certain YouTube con artist came around claiming that "everything is sexist, everything is racist and everthing is homophobic and we have to point it all out" that the characters now have to be more "realistic".

[xxvaynxx]

Just because you say something doesn't mean it is so.

Uhh... mass effect? They outright changed the female MC so she's not as attractive from the actual model they got her looks from.

I see a lot of rage but no "Proof". They seem to have listened when people complained and changed a couple characters but their original reason for making the characters less "attractive" was that it was more realistic. Not that they wanted them "ugly" just real. So what proof is there? They made them less comically exaggerated. True. They made them "ugly", .. personal preference.

Not sure where you're seeing rage but ok?
You do realize that's bs right? because if that was the case. Why are the males still not fully covered in armor like the females? why are they still comically exaggerated?. Don't read things at face value or do you believe everything a dev or PR tell you? They can't just say "oh yeah we changed the females from wearing what they use to because the SJW and the gaming journalist don't like it anymore" Its just PR talk to limit the backlash they would have gotten if they were truthful.

Mortal kombat is a game where you use magic powers and break bones and still keep going, you think them out of everybody would suddenly care about realism in females? no they just don't want to get bad press. Because in today standards those things don't fly in the US and that's a fact.

Also you keep saying ugly.
Not attractive doesn't mean ugly, you're just saying things to fit your agenda to further your argument. Please.

[Driavna]

You refuse to further discuss your point as you said we're getting off track.. so if elaborating your point isn't relevant, why bother?




When Did I ever say that masculine females ARE less attractive, I asked why you thought it was a detriment. I can be big enough to say maybe that was taking your post in the wrong direction, however I'd also appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. I am not ignoring what you said, I'm saying YOU originally cited a game as containing something which you now cannot find or cannot be bothered to find examples of.

Again.. what is the problem with having female characters with non-conventional attractive appearances. I am still waiting for your REASON for even griping about it.

My point was about western devs representing females as men, then I corrected myself and use the word masculine. I did mention this also happening with TLoU2. When asked for an example I said I did not have any at hand and linked something else, still related to my main point: western devs representing females with masculine traits. Is up to you to decide if I acted with bad faith or not.

Anyway, I never mentioned anything related to attractiveness, you were the one pushing that interpretation on me. From there you seem to belive: less attractive = more realistic. I disagree, humans are extremely diverse but on average males have a tendency to show masculine traits, the same way females have a tendency to show feminine traits. Something realistic will maintain that average while still showing feminine men (almost absent from western games BTW), and/or masculine female (they are now the norm) or whatever they want.

Do you want to know what my problem is? All of this is blatant pandering from corporations that don't care. Examples:

- Bethesda with its pride icon absent from countries that need help to fight for their rights.
- Blizzard removing any trace of gay characters in China.
- Disney making their movies with pointless gay "winks" that are going to be edited out for certain countries.
- Western media more interested in antagonizing established fans for a quick "in your face nazi", than in creating compelling new characters/plots.

Then we have Ubisoft "forcing" Chinese "standard" (https://www.polygon.com/2018/11/3/18...ox-one-ubisoft), not out malice but because it's cheaper to only maintain one version of the game. Lucky us gamers united and pushed back. But what do you think will happen if China will become the main market? Will you enjoy the Chinese standard forced on you? I don't. It's the same with this "western standard" that is being pushed right now.